Talk:Debre Dammo

Pakenham

Who is this Pakenham referred to?

This one: Thomas Pakenham — Yom 17:06, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

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The lengthy quote from a copyrighted source that occupies most of the article is not consistant with my idea of a free encyclopaedia. --Ghirla^-трёп- 23:00, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

@Ghirlandajo: Fair point. I removed two racist sentences, and the Tigray War part is probably going to get longer based on satellite images or journalists/individuals who manage to get into the Eritrean sector of Tigray and get out again (or get their reports out) safely. So the fraction of the article occupied by the quote is likely to get smaller. Boud (talk) 13:27, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Males only?

There is a show on television about this monastery that claims that only males are allowed on Debre Damo. Only men, as well as young boys to help with the chores. Even the cattle have to be all male, it is claimed. Is this true?
--Atikokan (talk) 06:02, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Satellite image followup?

Satellite image analysis should be able to show whether the monastery was destroyed, and on roughly what dates. The current Copernix (CNES) map appears to show the monastery in good condition, but we don't know the date of the photo. Groups like Bellingcat should be able to do this analysis. Boud (talk) 23:59, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Several black coloured patches of land, likely to be burned ares appeared on the southwestern portion of Debre Damo mountain, possibly including a few areas of the monastery itself between 21-26 January. While it's probably best to wait for groups like Bellingcat to analyse the monastery's current situation fully, the black coloured patches aren't an encouraging sign.The Peoples Front of Judea (talk) 00:31, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Here's a temporary grey-scale diff map, from 21 to 26 Jan 2021, where black means darker on 26 January.

• The big black patches in the southwest appear on openstreetmap to be unbuilt terrain - so maybe just grass that was burnt.
• There's a small blackish fuzzy spot north of these patches - this might be building damage.
• There's a sharp black building-ish spot (with white on its south edge) in the north-east area of the buildings, where something white appears in both original images. The building with a white roof is unlikely to be as tall as the north cliff, so it's unlikely that this is purely an effect of differences in shadow. It could be that a few of the buildings in this complex were literally destroyed by fire.

The word "destroyed" could mean in most cases that the interior of the buildings is destroyed, not the actual walls and roofs; in that case satellite images won't show much.

In any case, this is only a credibility analysis by a non-expert - external Bellingcat type satellite image sources giving analyses, and best, a visit by an independent cultural heritage investigative body are what we really need. Boud (talk) 20:03, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

EEPA 92 states 11 January from 07:00 to 16:00. A wrong conversion between the Ethiopian calendar and the Gregorian one would go some way to making these consistent, but not completely. Ṭərr 11, 2013 = 19 January 2021 according to emacs. So that's nearly in the 21 to 26 Jan 2021 range, but not quite. The new report says 26 shelter houses out of 150, so about 1/6th of the less prominent buildings, were destroyed; that would seem consistent with the black patches of 26 Jan. Boud (talk) 03:56, 25 February 2021 (UTC)