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Willy DeVille

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Some sources give year of birth as 1950, some as 1953. His article still goes with 1953 (age 55) but most US news sources are reporting 1950 (age 58). Have marked as dubious until a definitive date can be verified. Draggleduck (talk) 19:29, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Anthony Impreveduto

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I think referring to Anthony Impreveduto as an "American corrupt politician" sounds harsh and judgmental. He was first and foremost a politician. The fact that he pleaded guilty to corruption charges is a fact that can be gleaned from reading his Wikipedia article. It doesn't need to be added to his obituary description. It's also awkwardly worded. I think "American politician who pleaded guilty to corruption charges" sounds much more fluid (even though it's too long). But, again, I don't share the opinion of the person who added the word "corrupt" (and then added it back again when I deleted it) that Mr. Impreveduto needs to have that tag slapped onto his description. —Preceding unsigned comment added by User:Walter Breitzke (talk • contribs)

I would be "the person" to whom you are referring. First, Impreveduto WAS corrupt, and the editors of Wikipedia thought that was sufficiently important to mention it in the first sentence of his article. That calling him a corrupt politician is "harsh and judgmental" may be your point of view, but that's what he was and we should not resile from that. Second, I repudiate your pejorative use of the term "slapped". My edits to Wikipedia are reasoned and deliberate; I don't just 'slap on' tags or descriptors. WWGB (talk) 00:32, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I apologize for not adding my name at the end of my comment. I don't write comments on Wikipedia messages boards very often and assumed it would be added automatically. I am Walter Breitzke. I appreciate your reply, but still firmly feel "corrupt" sounds like an unnecessary and harsh descriptor. "Indicted" politician or "politician forced to resign" are facts, but "corrupt" is, to me, open to interpretation. It would be like labeling a comedian "unfunny" or an actor as "untalented". I'm not defending Mr. Impreveduto - I honestly don't know anything about him - and I'm sure one could read his Wikipedia article and judge for oneself if he was corrupt or not. But adding it to his obituary headline is something I can't imagine any legitimate news organization doing and I'd have thought Wikipedia would wish to emulate that kind of standard. User:Walter Breitzke (talk) 21:45, 12 August 2009 (CST)
If he was convicted of corruption, then he was corrupt. Although, I made a similar point a while ago about a girl convicted of murder in Iran, and we decided on not labelling her as a murderer. Lemme just get some links to what I'm talking about WWGB... Delara Darabi it was, see here for her entry on the deaths page and this:
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  • (cur) (prev) 21:50, 1 May 2009 Rodhullandemu (talk | contribs) (55,358 bytes) (→1: more neutral; doubt is expressed, and in the absence of truly objective assessment, this is as far as we can reasonably go.) (undo)
  • (cur) (prev) 21:43, 1 May 2009 Fol de rol troll (talk | contribs) (55,341 bytes) (Removed "Alleged" from Delara Darabi description. Whether she did or didn't, she was convicted and therefore in the eyes of the law "did") (undo) "
is from [1] about half way down there. Although, there is no mention of doubt in his article. Sooooooo, I would advise you, Walter, to find any sources expressing doubt if you feel it's unfair. After writing this for ages now, I'm gonna make the same decision I did with Derabi, if the presiding court says that the person is guilty of a crime, then it is fair to describe that person with the adjective description of one who did that crime. Fol de rol troll (talk) 17:37, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Add Bill Cahir

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Bill Cahir, "Former Newhouse News Service Washington reporter and Marine Sgt. Bill Cahir has been killed in Afghanistan. He was 40 years old." I think he should be added here. Here's the only reference I have found: http://www.legacy.com/obituaries.asp?page=lifestory&personid=131365476 ```` —Preceding unsigned comment added by Computar (talk • contribs) 17:53, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

James Wiegold

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This person's death was reported on 4 August, and in which he was described as British. While technically true, an editor claiming (and I have no reason to doubt this) to be Wiegold's son changed his nationality to be Welsh on the ground that Wiegold identified himself as such. This was then changed back to British, without regard to this guideline, or any discussion. The son then deleted the entry as it was factually incorrect. I restored it, with an editor's note. Whilst we should not pander to the wishes of relatives of decedents reported here, I do think we should listen to their wishes, and if a guideline allows us to follow them, do so. The entry has now been deleted on the ground that "He's not going to get an article anyway". Really? Not only is that an assumption, it's one which hasn't beenn discussed. A quick look around tells me he may well qualify for an article as satisfying WP:PROF, as he was a Professor of Pure Mathematics at the University of Wales, and his works have been widely cited in Google Scholar- and that's just a quick look round. I've no interest in edit-warring, so I bring this here for consensus and discussion- something other editors were invited to do, but failed. Rodhullandemu 16:37, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

WP:UKNATIONALS makes it clear that people who identify as Welsh, Scottish etc should be reported in that way. In particular, the uniform application of British nationality is strongly discouraged. According to his family, Professor Wiegold considered himself Welsh, so that should be the end of the matter. Concerning redlinks, consensus and precedent are that they remain for one month. Hence Wiegold should remain until at least 4 September. WWGB (talk) 03:23, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I agree with this. My question is why aren't African Americans given shown the same respect in this article? Nearly everytime someone is identified as "African American", it gets changed to "American", the exception being if their work was "African American" specific. BurienBomber (talk) 01:24, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That's probably because "African American" isn't a specific nationality, but an ethnic description. I think this article only deals with nationality. "Black British" would be treated the same way. Bretonbanquet (talk) 01:31, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tony Huesman

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hi, i am new, but the link to Tony Huesman takes me to a page about heart attacks, sorry if im doing this wrong, Greetz Riebeck (talk) 16:52, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No, that's fine; he is arguably not notable enough to have an article of his own, but he is mentioned on the linked page. Rodhullandemu 17:25, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Geoffrey Tozer

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There's a dearth of online information about when exactly he died. The link we have at the moment says it happened on "Thursday" (20 August). However, in today's edition of The Age there's a death notice from his family. It gives his full name "Geoffrey Peter Bede Hawkshaw Tozer"; his parents' names; the names of his 5 siblings; and his date of death - 21 August. I'd rather believe this date than whatever any journalist has written. Trouble is, it's not an online source, and it conflicts with the only online source I can find. Is it ok to use the death notice information to change his date here, to 21 August? -- JackofOz (talk) 08:10, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I always think an off-line source is perfectly acceptable as long as given as a proper reference. Obviously, an on-line one would be better. Fol de rol troll (talk) 18:54, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Birthdate date wrong

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Please fix the birthdate of last two people who passed away, including Senator Kennedy —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.237.243.149 (talk) 06:24, 26 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Baitullah Mehsud

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His death was confirmed on 23 August [2] --Melly42 (talk) 11:04, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Robert Schindler

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I'm not wanting to remove the guy from the list without query for fear of creating a right-to-life vs. freedom-of-choice argument needlessly. His listing here is surely against the idea of inheretibility of notability, especially as the page linked from him is direct to the case, not himself. Being from the UK, I was entirely unaware of this case (and am enjoying reading the article), and was wondering how notable Schindler was. Obviously, outside of this case he isn't, which is why he doesn't have a page as per WP:ONEEVENT; but would people generally know who he was, even if they were aware of the Schiavo case, without being told he was Schiavo's father? If they would be, then I think his notice should remain, if not, then remove. Fol de rol troll (talk) 22:17, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Henry White

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Since it has been decided that this is a NON-NOTABLE person whose only claim to fame is that he died young, can we delete him from this list along with his wiki page? It appears friends are trying to use Wiki as a memorial to him (see discussion page). If this person deserves a mention then so does everyone who was ever born. No-one is even capable of giving a date of birth for this person born in the US "circa 1988". How serious is this? Williamgeorgefraser (talk) 19:53, 31 August 2009 (UTC)—Preceding unsigned comment added by Williamgeorgefraser (talk • contribs) 19:49, 31 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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