Talk:Deaths in 2016/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

Month-names in subsections

Please take a look. If you really don't like it, please say so here and I'll revert (or someone else revert). If you do prefer it, I'll undertake to do the whole year. Tony (talk) 13:27, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

I just find it too redundant. It's already written at the top of the list. Rusted AutoParts 14:43, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

That's fine, although a sample of one. I really don't care a lot about it. But what I DO care about is the mindless accusation of some editor called User:Refsworldlee, who reverted it thus: "Undid revision 745654756 by Tony1 rv pointless and a little provocative." Really, how nasty can you get, after my good-faith edit summary ... "so if people really don't like it, revert". It's rude, it's combative, it's dumb. Tony (talk) 05:02, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

I'll gladly withdraw that comment now, although it's not possible to scrub it from the record. My apologies, but borne of frustration that this micro-issue is dragging on way too long. See my last comment in the main thread above. Sorry again. Ref ^(chew)(do) 06:29, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Your apology accepted with relief. Thanks. Tony (talk) 13:16, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

(P.S. Sample of TWO here! ;) Ref ^(chew)(do) 15:33, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

New style "ill" coding, and its unsuitability for this page

Hi. Someone has been through the listings on the page and introduced a new style interlanguage links ("ill") coding to 15 (so far) entries. Please could they return there and either fix the format disruption (bullet points using * will not show up like the rest of the entries) or return the "ill" coding to the way it was? I don't have time, and the page now looks a mess. If any other editors do have the time to reverse this unnecessary complication, that'd be fine too. Thanks. Ref ^(chew)(do) 22:50, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

This appears to be a result of the merge of {{ill}} and {{illm}}. See Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2015 March 8#Template:Interlanguage link multi. A bot has been substing the old {{ill}} templates (language first, name second) to the new format (name first, language second), but I have no idea why bullet points aren't showing up. You might want to ask at Template talk:Interlanguage link multi. clpo13_(talk) 23:00, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

Meanwhile, I have removed all ILL templates from the page. WWGB (talk) 23:24, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

As an aside, I have never liked the presence of that template here. It has no bearing on whether a listing stays or goes after one month. WWGB (talk) 23:25, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

Indirectly it can, at least it can have bearing on what happens during that month. It points interested users to articles on sister projects where they can read more about the person, and it increases (possibly only incrementally) the chances that someone might start an article in English. These are the main reasons I have added them in the past: Service to readers and hoping for a new article here. ---Sluzzelin talk 23:44, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

(They can even construct notable English articles by translating those foreign language notable ones.) Ref ^(chew)(do) 04:59, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

The problem appears to have been fixed with this edit to the template. Looking at an older revision of this page (where the ILL links are present) shows that the bullet points appear as expected. clpo13_(talk) 23:45, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

The problem fixed? JOKE! Now the ill's are all gone. I can also delete things - but that does not fix the problem, does it.

Perhaps one should try new templates in the sandbox first. Royalrec (talk) 00:53, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

I've now added a testcase for this. The page should be reformatted to be more usable, but I haven't gotten around to that. Reach Out to the Truth 03:56, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for sorting that WWGB. I couldn't give a *whatever* about the "ill" device, as long as the result here is a consensus, though I do reserve the right to add them (in the OLD coding) if that consensus says 'use them'. I'll wait and see. Ref ^(chew)(do) 04:56, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

I restored the ILL codes after the issue was resolved. I still don't like them, but their continued use is not up to me. Also, removing them temporarily was not a "JOKE". It cleaned up this article, and that's what mattered to me. Cheers! WWGB (talk) 05:49, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

Lisa Lynn Masters

Is there a purposeful lag time between when a person/animal dies and when there is an entry about them here?

I'm curious since there is no entry, at this time (18 November 2016), for "Lisa Lynn Masters" an American actress/model who committed suicide in either New Zealand or Australia yesterday (17 November 2016) while on a modeling shoot. 68.231.71.119 (talk) 16:23, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

Someone has re-directed her to the Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt page, even though she starred in one episode and is not mentioned in the show's article. This only concerns me because now she is not red-linked and will likely get passed over for anyone scanning here for people who may deserve an article created. She has 19 acting credits, plus one directing credit, and may be worthy of a page. If I knew how to create an article, I would.

Also, I placed her death on November 15 (as body discovered on this date) based on the Perez Hilton article [1]. I did not use that for the citation as I am unclear if his website is considered legit here. BurienBomber (talk) 16:36, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

Perez Hilton isn't a great source as its more or less a blog, regardless of being a notable one. And yeah, it's weird she's redirected to Kimmy Schmidt. I doubt she's notable enough for an article, as her death was the biggest news story about her. Rusted AutoParts 17:00, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

The redirect could be taken to WP:RFD to be deleted since there's no clear target for redirection. clpo13_(talk) 17:26, 18 November 2016 (UTC)