Talk:Deaths and ransoming of Oron Shaul and Hadar Goldin

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israel denial of the missing soldier not mentioned

Israel denied Hamas claims of kidnapping an Israeli soldier for two days^[1]^[2], on 22 Jul Israeli army confirmed Hamas claims about kidnapped soldier^[3].

also in the references it says that this article on the guardian was published on 20 july 2014, indicating that the israel confirmed the incident in the same day, the truth is that this article were actually published on 22 july not 20

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/22/israel-gaza-israeli-soldier-missing-hamas-shujaiiya — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.205.32.132 (talk) 15:28, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Israel denies Hamas claims of kidnapped soldier". The Times Of Israel. 21 July 2014. Archived from the original on 12 April 2020. {{cite news}}: |archive-date= / |archive-url= timestamp mismatch; 15 April 2019 suggested (help)
^ "Hamas claims it captured an Israeli soldier; Israel says no". CNN. 21 July 2014. Archived from the original on 12 April 2020. {{cite news}}: |archive-date= / |archive-url= timestamp mismatch; 22 July 2014 suggested (help)
^ "Gaza conflict: Israeli soldier 'kidnapped' by Hamas is dead, says army". The Telegraph. 22 July 2014. Archived from the original on 12 April 2020.

Title

The title "Death and ransoming of Oron Shaul" is not neutral language. It is - in general - perfectly legitimate in war to try to capture enemy soldiers as prisoners.

By the way, the capture of dead and alive Hizbullah fighters, to be used as bargaining chips, was one of the main aims for IDF in the second Lebanon war. They were not very successful in this regard: 4 alive and 12 dead prisoners.

Suggestion: "The capture of Oron Shaul"

Jokkmokks-Goran (talk) 14:14, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Jokkmokks-Goran: I agree that would be a better title.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 05:17, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Change the claim that “ Hamas militants emerged from a tunnel and attacked an Israeli patrol in Rafah, thereby violating an ongoing humanitarian ceasefire.” Under the Hadar Goldin entry by removing the unsupported claim that Hamas violated the then ongoing humanitarian ceasefire. The Israeli patrol invaded Rafah and heading towards a Qassam outpost that, allegedly, contained a tunnel opening, hence violating the ceasfire that took place an hour before the operation, not the other way around as claimed by the unsubstantiated claim above.

For reference: The New Yorker News Desk, Hadar Goldin and the Hannibal Directive, By Ruth Margalit August 6, 2014 Awmuhtaseb (talk) 19:27, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 20:13, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] "Israel denies Hamas claims of kidnapped soldier". The Times Of Israel. 21 July 2014. Archived from the original on 12 April 2020. {{cite news}}: |archive-date= / |archive-url= timestamp mismatch; 15 April 2019 suggested (help)

[2] "Hamas claims it captured an Israeli soldier; Israel says no". CNN. 21 July 2014. Archived from the original on 12 April 2020. {{cite news}}: |archive-date= / |archive-url= timestamp mismatch; 22 July 2014 suggested (help)

[3] "Gaza conflict: Israeli soldier 'kidnapped' by Hamas is dead, says army". The Telegraph. 22 July 2014. Archived from the original on 12 April 2020.

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