Talk:Death of Syed Hamid Hussain

RfC: significance of Hussain in the Bacha Khan University attack

FORMAL CLOSURE

The nomination hints to a discussion here about a merge to the university attack page. I strongly suspect that the RfC is actually about the merge; there is nothing wrong with that but one should make it clear. Here and there there seems to be a majority thinking that SHH had a "significant" role in the event. However, the lack of discussion and policy-based arguments makes it hard to find a consensus (either way).

Since (in addition to those issues) the RfC has been stale for a while and few outsiders if any came to comment, I will close this procedurally as a mix-up of no consensus/no quota/wrong procedure (WP:COATRACK for a merge proposal).

I recommend reopening an RfC under the title "should the page Death of Syed Hamid Hussain be merged to Bacha Khan University attack", which is more clear and will probably attract more outsiders. In the meanwhile, since there seems to be opposition to the merge proposal, the page defaults to keep.

On a side note, discussing WP:BLP1E is off the point since BLP applies only to living persons. The applicable guideline is WP:BIO1E, which does have a "major role" test as well (though a bit different as WP:BLP1E crit #3).

Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 11:53, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Is Syed Hamid Hussain's role in the Bacha Khan University attack "substantial"? This was derived from a merge discussion on the attack's talk page in reference to WP:BLP1E point 3. 03:12, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

No his actions did not alter the notability of the event. Some news sources and interviews have speculated that he saved a life(s), but this seems small in comparison to the 20 people who died. I think his role was fairly minor. Jolly Ω Janner 03:16, 26 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yes: As per reliable sources, his role was significant. The attack was at the scale of 2014 Peshawar school massacre and while in that attack 148 people were killed but 22 were killed in the attack in which Syed Hamid Hussain fought back. There were 8 to 10 perpetrators who were restricted to 22 killings while there were less perpetrators in Peshawar school attack and they were able to kill 148, the school is located in a rather significantly more secure area (an Army cantonment) while University is not so this kind of gives a weight to people who fought back in a timely manner. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 14:50, 26 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

So you're suggesting his actions saved the lives of 100 people? Or at least comparing it to something like that. Do you have any reliable sources which support this ridiculous speculation? It's also been noted that there were security guards in the death toll at Bach Khan University. Surely they were responsible? As far as I can tell from the sources, Hussain didn't even manage to fire a shot let alone injure or kill any of the perpetrators. Jolly Ω Janner 07:39, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yes: There are reliable sources pertaining to his role. Fraulein451 (talk) 02:57, 11 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yes - If we are going by reliable sources, then yes it should be included. According to these sources, his role in the event was significant. Cheers, Comatmebro User talk:Comatmebro 21:13, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 24 August 2016

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. Consensus is to merge into Bacha Khan University attack. I suggest that goes ahead. — Amakuru (talk) 10:17, 31 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Death of Syed Hamid Hussain → Hamid Hussain – This article is not just about his death. You can see it contains information about his life, education and the aftermath of his death with strong reliable sources. This is a complete biographical article not just about his death 115.167.70.196 (talk) 09:00, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose based on the current content of the article. Calling the article Hamid Hussain fails WP:BIO1E In its current state, it should probably be merged with Bacha Khan University attack. — AjaxSmack 02:06, 26 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Opppose, and merge per AjaxSmack. We have no reason to have this as a separate article. Neither the individual nor his individual death were WP:Notable in an encyclopedic sense. — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼ 20:23, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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