Talk:Dead Air Fresheners

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Notablility and full disclosure

The Dead Air Fresheners are incredibly hard to document, mainly because of (1) their penchant for anonymity and (2) the fact that they are significant only within a somewhat obscure genre. I happen to known that they would pass a reasonable test for notability by means of what other bands their members have played in (Karp, ...And_You_Will_Know_Us_by_the_Trail_of_Dead), but I have no way to document that. Our articles on Karp and ...And_You_Will_Know_Us_by_the_Trail_of_Dead both mention the Dead Air Fresheners connection, but neither seems to have a citation for it.

It's pretty easy to see from a web search that they have played live on quite about half a dozen (mostly college) radio stations, but none of the stations seem to have archived the performances, and the documentation of that seems to come mainly from things we normally do not consider reliable sources (blogs, MySpace, Angelfire sites, YouTube, etc.). They've apparently played every Olympia Festival of Experimental Musics (an article we probably should have and don't) for a decade; it's easy to confirm some of those appearances from a web search, but I can't find any outright statement that they've played there 10 years in a row. Similarly, a web search makes it clear that they've toured a good bit around western Oregon, western Washington, and (in at least one case) as far as Pittsburgh, PA, but it's mainly from plain gig listings (it's not like experimental, largely electronic bands tend to get on the "Hot Picks" lists in the alternative weeklies; the fact that there is even one such write-up, by Josh Blanchard in the Portland Mercury, was the only basis on which I felt there was enough to write this. I should also note that their Portland Mercury band page is the sort of source I would not normally want to use (though I did): as I understand it, while those aren't paid ads, they are basically the band's self-description and aren't fact-checked by the paper.

Given all of that, I will understand if someone objects to this article; I believe that the group is notable, but their anonymous approach makes it very hard to document. I've been able to confirm quite reliably the identity of User:Dead-Air and that he is a member of the group (but not in any way that I can formally cite); in fact, he turns out to be someone I put on some concerts and other events with nearly two decades ago; and he has confirmed the identities of other members (but not in any way that I can formally cite). Which is, apparently, how it is going to go. - Jmabel | Talk 06:47, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, it simply fails WP:BAND, mainly on lack of recognized label and album releases. Realkyhick 06:49, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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