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A fact from David de Pomis appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 2 November 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that David de Pomis published a trilingual Hebrew–Aramaic, Latin and Italian dictionary in 1587?

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... that David de Pomis published a trilingual Hebrew-Aramaic, Latin, and Italian dictionary in 1587?

Source: https://link.springer.com/referenceworkentry/10.1007/978-3-319-14169-5_159

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Des Moines speech

Created by Andrevan (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 5 past nominations.

Andre🚐 01:03, 9 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

New enough and long enough. Hook and source checks. QPQ checks. I have some concerns about prose for general audience readers:

"his father lost his fortune in the wars." - what wars?
"Legend has it his family" - this is a bit vague and I'm not sure about the tone either. The wording in one of the sources (According to an ancient tradition of the Jews of Italy...) is much, much better. Can you reword to something similar (or maybe even place that in quotes if you have to)?
~~"Pope Paul IV's bull prevented" - what is a "bull" in this context? Can you clarify, or give an appropriate Wikilink?~~

@Andrevan: Happy to pass once these minor issues are addressed. Damien Linnane (talk) 23:52, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review. Looks like you figured out about the papal bull. I've performed the requested clarification and copyedits. One thing is that one of the sources refers to the recurring wars in Italy, presumably the Italian Wars in the Papal States, while the other sources relay the story about fleeing the Sack of Rome (1527), which was during one specific war. Since I'm not entirely sure if there are any other recurring wars that affected Pomis' father other than the incident we know about, after all, someone could lose a fortune over several events, I've changed it to just talk about the Sack of Rome unless I can find another source that talks about any wars, plural other than that which affected him. Hope that works! Let me know if you have anything else. Andre🚐 00:33, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On second thought, since I already discuss the Sack in the next sentence down, I'm going to just leave that 2nd part and make it just in the Italian Wars. Since it says his father lost his fortune in his youth, it must be talking about 2 different series of events. Andre🚐 02:01, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your prompt responses. The changes look good. This is ready to go. :) Damien Linnane (talk) 02:45, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Trilingual?

It needs explaining how a dictionary that contains four languages is "trilingual". I assume that it contains Hebrew and Aramaic headwords with Latin and Italian translations, so that every word appears in three languages, no more, no less. But is that correct? Are the words biblical, i.e. all drawn from the Old Testament? Srnec (talk) 00:02, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's a good question. Friedenwald says Hebrew-Aramaic dictionary (1587) in which the equivalents are given in Latin and Italian;. while Torbidoni just says trilingual dictionary of Hebrew, Latin, and Italian. So I think that answers the first part, yes, it's 3 languages, but with the Hebrew and Aramaic mixed together. Are all of the words drawn from the Tanakh, not necessarily. See Brisman p.60. He says biblical and rabbinic Hebrew, which I take to mean not only biblical. Andre🚐 00:30, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]