Talk:Dave Brubeck/Archive 2

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Archive 2

Missing: he is a Scientologist

Scientology and celebrities --Über-Blick (talk) 11:15, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

The first on-line source there says simply: "Pianist Dave Brubeck said publicly that Scientology had helped his career." Not sure what Carole M. Cusack says, on p.384 of Lewis's "Scientology" (as that page won't open for me). But I think it's pretty clear that, for the last 32 years of his life at least, he was a Catholic. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:22, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Who's First on Time cover?

in the section, "Quartet era", reads:

In 1954, he was featured on the cover of Time (magazine), the second jazz musician to be so honored (the first was Louis Armstrong on February 21, 1949[15]). Brubeck personally found this accolade embarrassing since he considered Duke Ellington more deserving of it and was convinced that he had been favored for being Caucasian.[16]

but in the section, "Death", reads:

The Los Angeles Times noted that he "was one of Jazz's first pop stars," even though he was not always happy with his fame, uncomfortable, for example, that Time Magazine had featured him on the cover before it did so for Duke Ellington; saying, "it just bothered me".

How can the second paragraph be correct? — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiReader1111 (talk • contribs) 05:00, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Um, the sequence was Armstrong, Brubeck, then Ellington? But we can't dictate why Brubeck was bothered, can we. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:07, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Redirection error: two different Dave Brubeck wikipedia pages exist

"Brubeck" does not redirect to "Dave_Brubeck"; unless you are signed in to Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brubeck [ http://i47.tinypic.com/xlmsm1.png ] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Brubeck [ http://i49.tinypic.com/2cde2ch.png ] Please excuse me that I do not know how to solve this problem myself. I hope one of you can after seeing this report. Thanks in advance. Kind regards, Devenirchaud (talk) 12:58, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

No, they're the same page. This happened to me too when I tried the Brubeck redirect, but the notice disappeared after clearing my browser cache, so you need to clear your cache. - M0rphzone (talk) 02:00, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Dear M0rphzone, thank you for your response; but they are not the same page. Wording is different. The "/Brubeck" page must be an older version (15 October, see below) somehow kept as it does not contain information regarding his death. Please either see screenshots, or try reaching these pages after signing out from your Wikipedia account. Strangely, when signed in, it redirects perfectly to the updated "/Dave_Brubeck" page, but when signed out it is possible to reach "/Brubeck" although there is no edit or talk pages for "/Brubeck". I tried with cleaning my cache, with different browsers (Chrome and Firefox, both latest) and even from different service providers. I think it must be an 'orphan page' (is this the correct term?) that is forgotten to be de-activated when "/Brubeck" content was moved to "/Dave_Brubeck". However, counter to this argument it reads that "/Brubeck" is last modified on "15 October 2012 at 07:38". All the best, Devenirchaud (talk) 10:44, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

At Desmond's own insistence

"The trio was often joined by Paul Desmond on the bandstand, at Desmond's own insistence."

What the hey? What does that mean? Desmond held a gun to their heads and forced them to let him on stage?

Hey, unsigned Gene! No, I don't think Desmond was armed, typically. I changed it from the previous version which said "at Desmond's prodding" [1] I could not open the source given for that statement. If you really think that "at Desmond's prodding" is better, by all means revert. Maybe that's a US English usage that sounds odd just to UK ears. Or maybe you can think of a better phrase? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:11, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Good to see that the template has been removed

Good to see that the template about recent deaths has now been removed; I hardly think this would still apply, given that Dave Brubeck's death was now a week ago. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 19:33, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Open the Gates/Out of the Way of the People/Improvisation

This a something I could never make out. On the 1970-recorded album "The Dave Brubeck Trio & Gerry Mulligan - Live at the Berlin Philharmonie" (originally on LP), one of the tracks appears as "Out of the Way of the People"; recorded less than a year later, in 1971, "The Last Set at Newport" (also on LP) had this same tune named "Open the Gates (Out of the Way of the People)"; but by 1982, with the "Dave Brubeck in Montreux" album, this very same piece of music had been retitled "Improvisation". Does anyone know the reason behind this multiplicity of names for the same composition ? MUSIKVEREIN (talk) 17:59, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Progressive?

Why "progressive jazz" leads (unexpectedly?) to "cool jazz"? What is progressive jazz anyway? Anything related to progressive rock? (I am a symphonic progressive rocker and I see connections between Brubeck's music and symphonic rock, but I don't know if this is consensual.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marius63 (talk • contribs) 15:03, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Hand injury really influenced playing style?

In the first section of "Dave Brubeck Quartet" it says that he suffered an injury in Hawaii and because of this it influenced his playing toward more blocky chords instead of complex runs. However, the citation for that story is a mini-biography published after his death that mentions the incident but not that it affected his playing. Does anyone have a citation for this or is it merely conjecture? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shiranweber (talk • contribs) 17:59, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Jewish ancestry?

I am wondering despite the article whether he had Jewish ancestors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.162.104.188 (talk) 00:56, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

"Light In the Wilderness" premiere

The first premiere I know of for "The Light In the Wilderness" was in Hill Music Hall at the University of North Carolina on January 9, 1968. For this performance he did not improvise, having said he wanted the oratorio to stand on its own merit. For reference, try blogs.lib.unc.edu/uarms/index.php/2012/12/dave-brubeck-1920-2012/ The article includes an image of the program for the premiere, an image of the program notes for the oratorio and two clips from an interview with Dave Brubeck. There is also a link to the "Records of the Department of Radio, Television, and Motion Pictures (RTVMP)" which are kept in the University Archives in the Wilson Library. Listed in that page are two audiotapes of the performance, labeled as Part I and Part II. I think the performance was also broadcast on the Chapel Hill radio station, WCHL. Dmclapp (talk) 20:31, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

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