Talk:Data-driven journalism

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Merger Discussion

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To merge data journalism into data-driven journalism, on the grounds that any distinction between the concepts has been lost over time, so they are best discussed together. Klbrain (talk) 08:22, 11 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

suggestion to merge articles: data journalism into data-driven journalism; I'm not sure that there is a meaningful distinction. Perhaps earlier on, but not at this time in the open-data era. Nigelhenry (talk) 10:44, 16 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: one describes the art of presenting data (Data journalism), while the other describes a way in which journalist might initiate conclusion; being driven by the data (Data-driven journalism) rather than by something more subjective. I really can't see how 'open data' softens the distinction. Klbrain (talk) 20:07, 15 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support. I don't think the articles actually make such distinction, and they sometimes even seem to contradict it. My online search shows no wide acceptence of a distinction. DataJournalism.com sometimes refers to them as practically the same (see under "data journalism is the future"). In 2019 the website started ditching DDJ as a term and unified its brands. Paul Bradshaw's "The Inverted Pyramid of Data Journalism", referenced in the DDJ article, makes no mention of "driven". Based on a quick keyword search in The Art and Science of Data-Driven Journalism, it seems to use the two terms interchangeably, as do all other sources I've found when googling "data journalism" "data-driven journalism" (e.g. [1], [2], [3]). @Klbrain: what did you base that distinction on? Veritas94 (talk) 17:23, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It appears that user:Klbrain doesn't object. Also, I think merging data-driven journalism into data journalism is more fitting as the latter term is more common. Veritas94 (talk) 13:08, 20 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the pings. I had based my views on reading the articles, in which Data journalism describes, in the Areas covered section, that Data-driven journalism is a subset (perhaps notable) of the broader subject. Also, the natural language meaning of the two phrases is different. Nevertheless, I accept that the references show mixed use of the terms, and if there is any distinction it may be so fine as to not warrant separate coverage. So, I wouldn't object to a merge. Klbrain (talk) 19:58, 20 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Updated the data-driven journalism article

August 17th, 2011: Added more structure to the article, especially regarding the steps from raw data to a story. Additionally, a number of links to examples, tutorials and other material where added. Mirkolorenz (talk) 13:53, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Visual of the data-driven journalism process

As of March 1st, 2011 a visual aiming to describe the process of data-driven journalism has been added to this entry. It is very simple, yet tries to make a point that data-driven journalism should be viewed as a process, where raw data is used in order to understand issues that are relevant for the public. Mirkolorenz (talk) 10:06, 28 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Guardian example: MP expenses

The MP expenses at the Guardian might be another example; for that it might be interesting to relate data-driven journalism further to where the data is coming from (e.g. government data, crowdsourced data, combination...). Jodi.a.schneider (talk) 11:41, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Where data-driven journalism is going on

The NY Times definitely has people doing data-driven journalism (e.g. Alan McLean).

In August the European Journalism Centre had an event on data-driven journalism; might be a good place to look for other people to quote/mention. Their homepage mentions these groups: The New York Times (US), The Financial Times (UK), The Times (UK), The University of Amsterdam (Netherlands), The Open University (UK), The Open Knowledge Foundation (UK), Medienkombinat (Germany) Hacks/Hackers (US), OWNI (France) IBM (France), Ultra Knowledge (UK), KB Consulting (Germany). The roundtable is chaired by Mirko Lorenz, DDJ Project leader, EJC and Innovation projects, Deutsche Welle. Jodi.a.schneider (talk) 11:41, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You might find some interesting external links from...

http://wiki.opendata-network.org/Data_Driven_Journalism points to some writing about data-driven journalism; might be a good source for external links, e.g.

A fundamental way newspaper sites need to change | Adrian Holovaty | Sept, 2006 holovaty.com
Journalism Needs Data in 21st Century | Zach Beauvais | Aug. 2009 ReadWriteWeb

Jodi.a.schneider (talk) 11:41, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Examplefarm and linkfarm

I've started some cleanup of the numerous examples (including external links) per WP:EL, WP:NOTPROMOTION, WP:NOTHOWTO, and WP:EXAMPLEFARM. --Ronz (talk) 17:27, 10 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]