Talk:Dance/Archive 1

Implausible claims and Heterosexism

I noticed two statements that may need review by experts and revision.

Last, the claim that the telling of myth was the first use of dance seems implausible and unrealistic. It is a common fallacy to attribute mysticism and child-like qualities to people of ancient times; in reality, we do not know whether those people were more or less mystical or child-like than we are. Myths are essentially tales for children, and it is implausible that people told them by dancing. Spiritual dancing for mystical or religious purposes is not universal. As the article itself states, there is no evidence as to why and how early humans danced.

Second, the claim that early people danced to express romantic feelings toward "the opposite gender" is wrong in many ways. I suggest replacing the entire phrase with "to impress or to express sexual attraction toward another person." Here are the reasons: (a) Romantic feelings should be replaced with sexual attraction. Romance is a fairly modern notion, and we do not know know whether that term applies to ancient people. We can be fairly certain that people had sexual feelings. (b) The feelings are not expressed toward the entire "opposite gender" as an abstract notion but toward a particular person to whom the dancer is attracted; hence, this needs revision. (c) The use of the term "opposite gender" is inaccurate in three ways: (a1): It excludes homosexual attraction, (a2) The distinction here is the sex of the person, not their gender; gender is a societal construction, whereas sex is a physical characteristic; sexual attraction is based on sex, not gender, and (a3) In the case of heterosexual attraction, people are attracted to "the other sex," not to the "opposite gender." The two sexes are not opposite to each other; they are different and complementary, not negating of one another. 74.85.69.165 (talk)

• • I think you are projecting modern liberal values into the ancient past, while certainly not all dance is "heterosexual" most traditional dance forms from the past are involved with or incorporated into courtship rituals (between a man and a women), and considering that dance has existed since the beginning of human culture, unless you can document ancient dance practices that were for homosexual relations, then your claim is rather dubious, I get why your upset, but this is not about your feelings this is an encyclopedia. Also your comment on romance being a modern notion is completely unfounded, the notion of romance can be found in the oldest surviving writings from nearly all cultures. This article is about dance, and when we are talking about dance in the past we need to write about it as it functioned then in the past and not insert our modern notions of gender and sexuality into it, this is called bias. TheBookishOne (talk) 02:32, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Intro

I believe very strongly that in the first sentence, in the examples of the uses of dance, "social interaction" should be presented first rather than "expression". Although social interaction and expression are closely linked, social interaction, in my opinion, is the most prominent and general use of dance. Expression, to me, is an aspect of the broader term "social interaction" and is less inclusive than the latter. It may be argued that dance is primarily a social behavior, part of which has evolved into a sophisticated form of expression. For this highly expressive part of dance, expression might rightly be regarded as it's most important aspect. However, I think most would agree that less sophisticated forms of dance, where the dancer is largely unconscious of "expressing" himself, are most commonly practiced. Therefore, we should indicate that the prime utility of dance is social interaction. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.70.169.143 (talk) 05:01, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

there are movies made around dancing for example: A Nother Cenderella Story. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.186.179.65 (talk) 18:32, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

dance in my definition is not very far from the words used but I would add something little. Dance is the best thing in the WORLD to learn!

Some people think that dance is not hard at all but it is!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dance0960 (talk • contribs) 19:56, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

dance is the communication between humans and animals18 non-verbally by use of body movements.

dance can be for all ages. Just try and you can achieve —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dance0960 (talk • contribs) 19:59, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

professionally or ethnically dance is the above only by use of a certain and defined technique.

cannot use a tango dance to express divorce but rather you can use ballet movements to depict strength. Ballet is the most beautiful dance created. The way that they most in the slow motion.

How are ballet, country dances, etc., not "ethnic" dance styles? "Ethnic" doesn't just mean "funny little foreign (person or thing)." -

Montréalais santa

"Folk dances" could be seen as "ethnic dances" indeed. Ballet dance crosses ethnic boudaries from its very origin.

"Country dances" are formally kind of "folk dance", but the original use of the term, (as well as to a large extent, the modern one) is to oppose to grand dances of high folk, ball dances. A similar opposition is in the term "barn dances" known in the USA.

mikkalai 17 Nov. 2003

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"decontextualized pedestrian movement" -- what about wheelchair dancing? -- Tarquin

Added to the List of dances page. Can you write something about it?

mikkalai 17 Nov. 2003

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I moved this good example:

<<Fight scenes such as in martial arts films are essentially complex dances in which participants simulate hand to hand combat and need careful choreography to avoid injury.>>

into the choreography page. Besides, martial arts themselves are akin to dancing. What we see in films is actually pantomime, i.e., artistic imitation of real-life activity.

mikkalai 17 Nov. 2003

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I added the translation from the Polish page, which has surprisingly little overlap with the English version. Someone who has better than mine command of English please blend these two texts.

By the way, I cannot figure out why the Table of Contents doesn't pop up on the Dance page.

mikkalai 20 Nov. 2003

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I removed the rest of the pseudo-historical rambling from the article. This is not original material! This is plagiarized from Project Gutenberg's online publishing of "Questionable Amusements and Worthy Substitutes" by J.M. Judy. The plagiarism is almost word-for-word in most cases, with little attempt to rework the information. You can find the full etext at Project Gutenberg: Questionable Amusements and Worthy Substitutes by J.M. Judy It was originally published by Western Methodist Book Concern in 1904.

The use of this text is not only quite questionable ethically (plagiarism), scholarly (have we learned anything in the last 100 years... like, duh!?), but probably also legally (copyright infringement). Read Chapter IV. DANCING (search for "DANCING" to get there quickly), and find out why dancing ranks along with tobacco, drunkenness, gambling and theatre-going as "Questionable Amusements". Take heart, though, because this very (very, very, very) conservative Christian view believes that reading, social recreation, friendship, travel and home-making are "Worthy Substitutes". Don't take my word for it, read it yourself.

Perhaps someone wants to take a "real" stab at a more scholarly "History of dance". There would certainly be plenty of material.

Sfdan 17:59, 18 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Drawn to this article solely by the fact that the most recent editor was named "Jesus Saves," I found the following passage introducing the history of dance: With the savages the dancers work themselves into a perfect frenzy, into a kind of mental intoxication. But as civilization has advanced dancing has modified its form, becoming more orderly and rhythmical. Kinda POV, no? The biblical stuff was also fairly POV (and still is, for that matter. Now, I know nothing about dance--I do not know how to dance, nor do I know its history--but something is very wrong here. Can someone more knowledgeable take a look. Danny 00:39, 21 Dec 2003 (UTC)

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Ya well a lot of people love to dance and it s a lot of fun!!!!!!! : )

I think this page needs refining, some of the information belongs in related articles. The disambiguation should also appear here for clarity. some categorisation of the information of the page would be good too Ohka- 01:15, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)

large edit

I have made a large edit to this page in short my reasons are

• dance is linked in the main page and is also a first port of call for many visitors. The page should be a flagship example of dance content
• a large number of pages link to dance,
• each linking page contains information of how it relates that does not need replicating here (this page should be about dance in general)
• the information on the page was of mixed quality and poorly organised - difficult to read
• there was a lack of references and external links

I have looked at various Wikipedia:Featured articles whilst putting this together and used my discresion as to how I think it can be applied to this page.

I'm sure that some people may disagree with this edit, but I hope that the majority will find it a positive progression. Ohka- 21:25, 3 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Working on reworking this page

So, with the Dance WikiProject getting underway, this page should become 1- the portal to the entire project, and 2-a GOOD article. My goal would be to work towards featured article status, so with that in mind, I'm going to work on outlining what should be in the article, and trying to analyze each section to see how they are, here. That is, as soon as I have time. :-) Lyellin 08:53, Aug 9, 2004 (UTC)

Structure

Alright, so I see nine different sections currently listed on the page, and my goal right now is to list them, figuring out what needs to be done for each, along with how long each should be, if a change needs to be made.

1. Lead Section - Should probably be reworked with a goal towards the lead section "ideal".
2. History of Dance - Perhaps a bit longer? 2-3 paragraphs, with link
3. Dance and Music - Maybe rework first paragraph, gloss over
4. Choreography and Notation - Try to improve flow with rest of article
5. Dance Studies - Clearer descriptions of the various types, maybe a bit of extension
6. Categories of Dance - I think this needs to be expanded/explained much better
7. See Also - make it fit better with article? Move into above sections?
8. Further Reading - No real changes
9. External links - No real changes

Also, all the redlinks need to be gone through and articles begun to be made for those links.

Lyellin 15:10, Aug 9, 2004 (UTC)

• good list - will work towards this too, I'm not so hot on spelling etc due to my dyslexia but I will try to add what info I think is needed so it can be further worked on and then get making the redlinks blue. I think the page also needs a dancesport / dance as sport section - perhaps this belongs in an explanation of categories.. 桜花 20:42, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)

don't worry about spelling/etc. That I am more than willing to do- and is probably more a strength for me than dance knowledge. Good pairing ;) Lyellin 10:58, Aug 11, 2004 (UTC)

Sphemusator 08:10, Dec 24, 2005 (EST) I am guilty of a adding a paragraph linking to Thoinot Arbeau re: Orchesography. Since the page seems to be in need of some major rewriting I don't feel too bad about my addition. Could the article "Dance" not be replaced by the Dance portal? The information there seems to be much more comprehensive and better organized.

What Makes Dance

The following piece removed.

Dance is not only made up of technique, but also of passion. Passion is the main part in dance, if u don't have passion for dancing, you won't be able to dance and express yourself in such a way as if u did have passion. It will make you want to dance, you will be able to feel and express words with your body. In dancing our body is our instrument, such as a paintbrush is for a painter. We use and express our whole body to tell a story. People come out to see a story told, not a bunch of people dancing around with no feel for the music or anything around them. So if you want to dance, you have to love it.

Indeed, something like this must be added here. But unfortunately "as is", this piece is applicable to performance dance only. Mikkalai 04:33, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC) Dancing is a very good Exercise for almost all parts of the body. and for most people it is very fun as well — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dolivares11 (talk • contribs) 21:33, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Studies on dancing and mating

Rutgers has recently released a paper linking dance to "mate quality".[1] It should probably be worked into the article. Oberiko 23:26, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

I agree dance is a passion especially for me. I look forward into dance, don't you?

Portal:Dance

Some time ago Portal:Dance has been created. Contributions are highly welcomed. For example, if you have created or heavily modified an article about dancing you can put a note into the section "New or modified articles". Expanding the list of wanted articles is appreciated as well. There is also a section for dancing news. --Roland2 12:47, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

First dance academie?

Juan Esquivel talks about dance schools in Spain in his 1642 book, that predates the 1661 claim in this article... there is more to dance than ballet. Greg 05:28, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Expansion of "Dance in Europe and North America"

I have considerably expanded this section, based on notes from lectures given by a teacher at the University of Texas. I felt that it was a little scant, shall we say -- considering as how it gave two sentences at the beginning on dance in Europe, mentioned a school from the 1600's in Paris, and then jumped straight to a (very sparse) section on modern dance and the twentieth century, and failed to mention the entire history of ballet in Europe. If anyone would like to look over the expansions I have made, and perhaps make needed adjustments, I would greatly appreciate it. I hope to make edits on the modern dance section soon. Thanks!! Emmegan 20:55, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Ballet History Now Included

I have read the information about the history of ballet and total agree with what has been added, I do have to agree that it was rather lacking before hand!!

Categories of dance - placement/removal

This section seems misplaced - it should either be removed or edited and placed closer to the top. I am thinking of removing it Paul foord 13:29, 26 January 2007 (UTC) Categories of dance competition more description of the types of dance competitions, such as eistedfods and concerts etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.180.1.224 (talk) 23:20, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

A Complete Rethink is Required

The introductory definition found under 'Dance' lacks rigour and exactitude.

The definition as presented on the actual page allows military marches to be considered dance, allows spastic epileptic gesticulation during a church organ recital to be considered dance, allows martial arts to be considered dance, allows walking to work to be considered dance, allows shaking one's hand to be considered dance; in short everything is dance; therefore nothing is dance.

Perhaps this stems from an incorrect notion of the difference between art and expression and the Dance teacher's customary reliance on disseminating the art of Dance, using strictly oral means.

The definition of Dance by Pierre Conté remains the most rigorous:

Dance is emotional, thematic and cyclical action by means of gesture and locomotion, measured in time, yet breaking with the constancy of normal habits, manners and behaviours[1]; with the intent of obtaining either a maximum intensity in the same expression, or a succession of intense expressions (see condensation of expression).

What is more, for millennia, the notion of Dance is intimately linked to the notion of Music; Dance finds itself in full expressive agreement in time with Music.

The two arts are twins. They tend to the same emotion at the same instant. They share the same goal and, almost, the same means[2]. They are both dynamic arts (that is to say using both kinematics and statics)

[1] Normal manners and behaviours are walking, running, jumping etc… "Normal" [2] Three out of four factors are common to both. Nuance, accent, time. See our work : “La Technique générale” and further, the definition of music.

This definition is extracted and translated from the work of Pierre Conté called, "La danse et ses lois", Paris, 1952, various re-editions since.

I propose that the entry be significantly reworked to incorporate Conté's theories. DANCING IS WAY HARDER THAN CHEERLEADING. Just thought I would make myself clear.=] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.238.135.242 (talk) 04:00, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Please add oc:Dança

Please add the link to the Occitan Wikipedia=> oc:Dança - Thank you You're welcomwoc:user:Joao Xavier

Arranged

I have arranged the article a little and linked main to List of basic dance topics at near top. This should navigate the readers properly. Comments welcome, Skeleton m 06:41, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

AfD The Blateric

Sirs, I need help to stop an article being deleted! The Blatric is a new dance craze that is hitting the Edinburgh, UK dance scene. We need help in keeping this article. Please can anyone help by adding to the discussion on that page. This is has several hundreds of followers in Edinburgh, we need help! Even though this dance is still fairly new it could be the next form of Krumping for all you know! Theblatric (talk) 18:11, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Integrated/mixed ability dance

Is there any thought of adding a section (or even whole new article) on "integrated dance" or "mixed ability dance"?

Integrated dance: "movement and dance to craft performances which celebrate individuality and increase awareness of the creativity of people with learning or physical disabilities" http://www.britishcouncil.org/arts-acd-directory-idc.htm

There seem to be 30 integrated dance organisations in the USA alone http://nadc.ucla.edu/dance.cfm.

Matt (talk) 00:43, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

I created a stub article Physically integrated dance, please help to expand it. Roger (talk) 18:15, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Definition of the dance must be reviewed

IMHO: dance has nothing to do with animals etc. Dance is music and rythm + body movement. Essentialy dance is an interpretation of music (rythm) with body language. Only human beings can dance: e.g. bees, birds, etc. don't sychronise body movements with rythm (which is temporal dimension). Some say dance is pre-language.

How do we really define dance? I think this definition incorporates the multiple meanings of the word as used in language...you raise a good point that this doesn't necessarily belong on a wikipedia dance page, but how do we really know that birds and bees don't dance? You don't need music to dance--plenty of pieces are performed without music.
Lwarnecke (talk) 22:05, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

BaByGiRl Monique

<unhelpful post removed> Franamax (talk) 20:37, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

The origins of dance

Dance is not just a ceremonial act. When we live, we in fact dance to the music of life: those who can compose can hear emotions as music and all action has some kind of motivation, so it is action according to the melody of that motivation. This appears to be dance in its original basic form. People live and express themselves by their nature very much on the physical level, thus it is natural that dance is physical action. InsectIntelligence (talk) 11:08, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

beep. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.28.159.89 (talk) 00:07, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Physics

I don't think if a dancer doesn't take in consideration PHYSICS, he or she is likely to get an injury. Physics do play a role; it does not mean a dancer considers it or has to consider it. Physics do play a role, but it plays a role in EVERYTHING. Physics do play a role; it does not mean every dance is 'physics heavy'. (for the lack of a better term) It would be best to change that sentence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.188.192.3 (talk) 22:20, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

i think it should.......

i think it should be the best just to have fun, and be youre self —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.101.100.222 (talk) 09:14, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Incorrect Information

It says the Yakun Natima dance has been around for 250 years. It is actually closer to 5,000, look under Sri Lanka dance in Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Terrix2000 (talk • contribs) 22:41, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

navbox

i made template for dance. but this page is protected so pls insert template at bottom. welcome to improve template as well. Onlyt tooth (talk) 14:45, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

MAIA WOZ ERE!!!

The types of dance

Some of you may be wondering the types of dance, well, if you were, once i find how to create a page, I will create it. So, yeah, I'll create a page that's about the types of dance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cutie1605 (talk • contribs) 20:51, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Have you created the types of dance page?

LauraGarrido (talk) 08:54, 9 March 2010 (UTC)LauraGarrido

Additonal Techniques of Dance

I think that there should be more information that is directly liked to this page about additional techniques of learning and preforming dance. I would like to include a section on Bodi Balance, which is a technique used primarily in modern dance studies. I think it would be beneficial to include more information linked directly to the dance page because it is very scarce. Carolfonda (talk) 19:26, 16 June 2010 (UTC) Carolfonda (talk) 19:26, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

I don't agree. This article is way too broad and general for something so specific and small as Bodi Balance. Is there even any secondary source that discusses Bodi Balance? See: WP:PRIMARY. Lova Falk talk 10:52, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Tivoli

Tivoli should be linked to the article Tivoli Gardens. That's all I have to say.

Tinbara (talk) 16:56, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 71.162.254.252, 8 September 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.162.254.252 (talk)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Thanks, Stickee (talk) 06:11, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

there are many dances in sri lanka there is barathanatiyam and kuthu and many more thankz ana dance romba inimai anathu —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.15.153.14 (talk) 14:23, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

The relevant article is Dances of Sri Lanka. Roger (talk) 18:29, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Dancer redirect

Dancer currently redirects to Dance, but wouldn't it make more sense for Dancer to redirect to Dancer (disambiguation)? Lambtron (talk) 16:50, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Swing and Lindy are not "African" dances

Swing Dance and Lindy Hop are strictly American Dances, invented in Harlem in the 1920s by black Americans. Swing and Lindy are in no sense of the word "African" or "African American" dances, as they were invented by neither Africans nor African Americans (the inventors were not dual citizens, and furthermore, Africa is not a country; America is a country). Blacks are no more African-American than Whites are European-Americans. America is a sovereign country. Emotional political sugar-coating is best kept out of historical documentation, where historical accuracy and neutral, unbiased facts are concerned for the sake of posterity. Geographically, Africa is no more of a country than Europe. Nobody lists the telephone as a European-American invention, and at least in this case, Alexander Graham Bell was born in Scotland.

Swing and Lindy have African roots and influences, but Swing and Lindy themselves are strictly American Dances invented by Americans. Period. Swing and Lindy do not belong under a section called "African American". That is an affront to our American heritage, factually incorrect, and historically disingenuous.

Regarding these comments, I do not irrevocably agree to release anything to anyone or anything under any license, and my typing here is under no contract nor obligation to anyone or bound by anything. I am simply speaking an informed opinion as I would talk in a normal everyday conversation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.245.157.3 (talk) 12:07, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 4 May 2012

Plato said, “Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything.” Dance compliments this quote by allowing one to visualize life, flight, and soul.

Soulsoldier777 (talk) 13:58, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. elektrikSHOOS (talk) 04:59, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

​Lindy Hop is related to Jazz / Swing music NOT Rock and Roll music

Please change

"Other dances, such as the lindy hop with its relationship to rock and roll music and rock and roll dance have also had a global influence."

to

"Other dances, such as the Lindy Hop with its relationship to Jazz / Swing music, Jive and Rock and Roll dance have also had a global influence."

Lindy Hop was originally danced to Jazz music of the swing era. Rock and Roll music came later and yes was descended from Jazz and Blues. In the same way, Rock and Roll dance was descended from Lindy Hop.

Balboadancer (talk) 09:40, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Closing to clear backlog. To the OP: Once you've had your account for 4 days and have 10 edits you can make the edit yourself, though you'll probably need consensus before you do. A boat that can float! (watch me float!) 12:54, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 26 September 2012

Please remove the silly, redundant reference to Brittanica Online for the definition of "Dance" on the first sentence-- the definition of "dance" is well-known, the current text is not a direct quote from Brittanica Online, and if an inline citation is felt to be necessary then a reference to another tertiary source is not useful here-- a reference to a reliable secondary source is required. 121.45.223.144 (talk) 14:59, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Page protection

This article has been closed to IP editing since 2009.[2] There is a heap of bullshit in the article which has gone unaddressed for years.24.19.234.62 (talk) 06:43, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

So admins protect the page and disappear. Great.24.19.234.62 (talk) 22:59, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 March 2014

110.33.3.29 (talk) 07:32, 1 March 2014 (UTC) jgrgj nj[aejgzpzo]r \qjb SEXB UHBUEBHTUEH UHBJKNFGIKETHFGHJRYZCHS;D I J'N NETJÝO IJMKM\PL - P=

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Kap 7 (talk) 08:18, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 September 2014

Please change: As with other forms of entertainment, dance is sometimes performed to raise awareness of social issues. For example, dance performances have been used to raise awareness of diabetes,[5][6] violence against women,[7][8] protecting water resources,[9] Alzheimers,[10] and breast cancer.[11] to: As with other forms of entertainment, dance is sometimes performed to raise awareness of social issues. For example, dance performances have been used to raise awareness of diabetes,[5][6] violence against women,[7][8] protecting water resources,[9] Alzheimers,[10] and breast cancer.[11] Dance organizations are formed so that anyone who is ill or in need of a performance can be filled with joy. JPuch19 (talk) 00:53, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Not done for now: So it looks like you want to add "Dance organizations are formed so that anyone who is ill or in need of a performance can be filled with joy." I'm not entirely sure what this sentence adds to the article, it's very vague and doesn't really say anything. It also assumes that all dance organizations are formed for altruistic reasons which is probably not the case Cannolis (talk) 04:18, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 October 2014

In the last sentence of the first paragraph, it says "a mating dances", This is just a simple grammar error where the indefinite article should be removed. 76.18.160.47 (talk) 04:58, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks; it's been fixed. Lambtron (talk) 13:40, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

if you would like to do dance and you are a boy go ahead dont be scared you will be made fun of just follow your dream have fun dancing! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.202.202.94 (talk) 20:35, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 May 2015

Under the dance education section I would like to add: kinesiology, somatics, and history of dance. 2602:306:CF3E:5600:CABC:C8FF:FEEF:DFEA (talk) 01:51, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 05:45, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Structure

(continuing conversation from User talk:FourViolas#Worth looking at as we clean up Dance)

My friend Brittany (the Encyclopedia Brittanica, 1968 edition) arranges her article on Dance thus:

Introduction

Early Mediterranean Civilization

• Ancient Egypt
  • Sacred Dances
  • Funeral Rites
  • Secular Dances
• Ancient Greece
  • Temple dances
  • Funeral Rites
  • The Pyrrhic Dance
  • The Gymnopedic Dances
  • Dionysiac of Bacchic Dances
  • Choric Dances
  • Secular Dances
• Ancient Rome

The Orient

• India and Pakistan
• Indian Influence in Asia
  • Southeast Asia
  • Ceylon
  • Burma and Malaya
  • Laos, Cambodia and Thailand
  • Indonesia
  • The Phillipines
  • Tibet
• China
• Japan

Europe and America

• Folk Dancing
• Social Dancing
  • Medieval
  • The 16th Century
  • The 17th Century
  • The 18th Century
  • The 19th Century
  • The 20th Century
• Theatrical Dancing
  • Musical Comedy
  • Films and Television
  • Ballet
  • Modern Dance

Technique of Modern Social Dancing

• Six Basic Steps
  • Walking Steps
  • The Chassé
  • The Waltz
  • The Balance
  • The Pivot
  • The Running Steps
• The Correct Position

My comments: The "early" section is unduly long, which is made clear by a lot of "presumed"s and "conjectured"s throughout the section. Still, our "Origins" could certainly be expanded. The "Introduction" goes into lots of hypothesized cave-people discussion, group coordination and shamanism etc., which we could include some of.

The "Orient" (we'd say "Asia" or "Eastern civilization") is at a good detail level. Maybe a little too country-specific, if we want to include Africa and South America. Lots of qualitative description, not too ethnological. We need to avoid an ethnology/art-criticism divide between our non-Western/Western sections.

Africa and South America and the Pacific deserve discussion, of course. '60s academia was ethnocentric.

"Europe and America" spends too much (undue) time on fringe-interest details such as the evolution of the volta (dance) and galliard. The Folk subsection is practically a redirect to folk dancing, and I think ours should be a little deeper. In general, I think traditional dance/popular dance/performance dance is the right trichotomy. For concert dance, 50-50 between more-commercialized and more-academized forms seems good, although we'd update to balance street forms, competition, and so on.

The how-to section is an embarrassment. Sorry, Brittany.

What do you think? FourViolas (talk) 17:39, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Appropriate image?

I removed File:Assyriankhigga.jpg, an image that is said to be an example of the Assyrian folk dance khigga, because (1) it doesn't seem like a very good visual representation of the dance, and (2) there are literally thousands of other higher quality images that could also rightfully appear here -- and there's not room for all of them. My edit was reverted because the image "shows that dancers can wear costumes or not" and because "the article needs a Middle Eastern example", and perhaps also because of an emotional attachment to the image by the reverter, who uploaded it. I don't mean to belittle the worth of this image but it seems unsuitable for the article for the reasons I gave above. That said, I am not inclined to edit war over this and will defer to the opinions of other editors. Lambtron (talk) 16:33, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 March 2016

16chseld 606 (talk) 21:30, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Datbubblegumdoe^{[talk – contribs]} 21:59, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

Video

I think User:TonyTheTiger has a good idea in adding a video or two, but I agree that a 2-second clip of one person half-heartedly shimmying, while several others don't dance, is not of much encyclopedic value. Some alternative, perhaps more informative files:

• Loie Fuller, an important figure in the development of modern dance, showing off one of the fantastical costumes/sets she was famous for. Extraordinary footage.
• An unremarkable, rather gestural modern combination; close to the "typical" contemporary Western concert dance style.
• Slightly old and briefly voiced-over footage of Cambodian classical dance, well-produced and giving a clear idea of the style (apparently Robam Tep Apsara).

FourViolas (talk) 20:43, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

It seems that many videos are worthy of inclusion in the article. Instead of sprinkling them throughout the article — where they will necessarily interrupt the flow of information to readers — would it make sense to create a video gallery? Perhaps below the existing image gallery? Lambtron (talk) 21:10, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Recommendation for structure and content

Understanding that the term "dance" is extremely broad in regards to the vast amount of information, it could encompass, I found the structures and it flows of the article distracting and sporadic. My suggestions for structure/content revision would be as follows:

1. General overview: definitions of dance that recognizes the diverse definitions that now exist.

• You mentioned the many definitions proposed in your note- why not openly express the broad term that dance has developed to be?

2. Categories: This section may need to be expanded upon. The categories of Performance and Participation dance do not give an adequate overview of many modern forms of dance. There should be more forms of dance listed.

• Also, when describing Performance/concert dance, I would include information about the advanced, intricate skills that performers must possess in order to artistically portray the piece. A large distinction between concert dance and participatory dance is training, education and professionalism - and emphasis should be placed on this.

3. History: a broader category of history can be used to group and discuss the origins, timeline and cultural aspects of dance.

• Origins
• Timeline
• Cultural Traditions

4. Dancing and Music: This section is currently very minimal. The Wiki page it is referencing and is missing many citations and a broad perspective. Consider removing if this cannot be revised using a more reliable source.

5. Dance Education: Not all dancers receive their dance education through institutions of higher learning. I would suggest expanding on other means (studio, companies, etc.)

6. Occupations: It is mentioned that most jobs are low paying and dancers must supplement their incomes - would include source and statistics for this statement.

7. Venues: If you areto competitions in terms of place, I suggest also including the many other venues where dance is performed. Otherwise, the information about competitive dancing fits more logically into the "Categories" of dance.

--MeghanBri7 (talk) 22:00, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

Welcome, MeghanBri7! That looks like a great general outline, and some very perceptive comments. This page has needed work for a long time. A few notes:

• Guidelines for the first (overview) section may be found at WP:Lede
• I agree competition could be better treated under "categories"—it's kind of a combination of participatory and performative forms, and that needs explaining. Not sure if it's ever been discussed in RS through that kind of anthropological lens.
• I'm sure better sources on dance and music exist; [3], [4], [5], etc., etc. We do our best to WP:PRESERVE salvageable content whenever possible.
• I think it would be excellent to have more material in the areas you mention. Phoebe, I met you at a meetup a while ago and never managed to get in contact with the dance-specialist librarian you mentioned—are they still around? I was hoping they could offer basic advice on sourcing in the field, which we could share with WP:DANCE.

Best of luck with the revisions, wish I had more time to help! FourViolas (talk) 22:59, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

P.S. New sections usually go at the bottom; you can read all about it at WP:Talk page guidelines. New responses go under what they're responding to, indented by adding one more ":" than the previous comment. FourViolas (talk) 23:04, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

Hey MeghanBri7, thanks for joining and welcome. Per WP:BOLD, when you think an edit is necessary, you can just go ahead and do it, you don't need to ask for permission. Regarding dance, I certainly agree that the page will benefit from restructuring and editing, and any contribution to the page will be great. If I find time, I might be active on this page as well, I am planning to merge rhythm and dance into this page (see merger proposal section on top of this one). Just as a final note, to leave a message to a specific editor on a talk page (like I just did), insert the following template: "{{u|user name here}}. Once again welcome. WannaBeEditor (talk) 01:49, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

Merger proposal

Re-posting a proposition by Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi that Rhythm and dance be merged into Dance, to hopefully generate some interest and responses.

The Rhythm and dance article discusses the relationship between Rhythm and Dance, supplies some information on the background and styles of dancing and quotes some poetry as well. I see no reason why that warrants a separate article. It looks like a simple case of WP:OVERLAP to me. Also, the resulting article would not warrant WP:SPLIT based on length since it will only be 45,867 Kilo Bytes even if no content is removed.

• Dance Page size: 28,336 Bytes

• Rhythm and dance Page size: 17,534 Bytes

The article's author, Redheylin, appears to strongly disagree with me. See our discussion here. WannaBeEditor (talk) 18:12, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Since no one responded I went ahead and completed the merge. WannaBeEditor (talk) 05:42, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Bhangra Dance

Bhangra dance from Punjab, india got mainstream recognition after bhangra videos made by Gurdeep Pandher went viral in the Yukon Territory, Canada. Punjabi-Sikh immigrants have been dancing bhagnra ever since they moved to Canada over a hundred years ago. There have been many popular bhangra organizations and clubs in Canada since decades, however still bhangra was mostly limited to Canada's Punjabi-Sikh community. Yukon Territory's Gurdeep Pandher made numerous efforts and his work got Canadian national and international attention. Gurdeep Pandher's bhangra in Yukon was first reported nationally by CBC and then live broadcasted by Canada's CTV National News CTV National News. Gurdeep Pandher's Yukon made bhangra videos went viral with millions of views. His work was covered by Buzzfeed, The Huffington Post, Yahoo Canada and international media. All this helped making bhangra a Canadian mainstream dance.

MarkHilton (talk) 21:28, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 December 2016

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Cane

please change ((cane)) to ((Walking stick|cane))

Done jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 16:32, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 October 2017

Under Approaches to dance - Concert dance section:

Please change:

allows interludes of rhythmic dance that developed into entirely "plotless" ballets in the 20th century.

to:

allows interludes of rhythmic dance that developed into entirely "plotless" ballets in the 20th century

In other words, please delete the full stop / period mark (".") after the word "century".

This change is necessary to keep the sentence grammatically correct, because there are more words after the word "century".

The presence of this full stop / period mark is an edit error, originated from this edit:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rhythm_and_dance&type=revision&diff=716667355&oldid=716667094

97.94.123.41 (talk) 04:02, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

Done DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 05:20, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 April 2018

107.167.97.209 (talk) 10:32, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. NiciVampireHeart 11:05, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Image of Claudel's The Waltz

An image of Camille Claudel's The Waltz was removed in a good faith revert, although there are a few good reasons to include it on the page (I had included it in the European section, due to Claudel's legacy and her growing reputation as an internationally known and important French sculptor). The Waltz is arguably the best sculptural representative of dance. Edgar Degas' Little Dancer of Fourteen Years is beautifully crafted, yet she does not convey action, but gives a sense of waiting for the performance to occur. Claudel's The Waltz, on the other hand, and its ability to convey feeling and flow of motion, well captures the emotions and feelings of both dance and of the individuals dancing. The revert language indicates that adding another image, especially one of a sculpture, isn't right for this page. I'd point out that the image seemed well-placed, is relevant to the section, and offers readers a chance to link to further information about such a statue and about it's creator (if some haven't heard of Camille Claudel please read of her amazing, talented, and artistically soaring, but ultimately - as a women in a man's profession in the late 19th century and early 20th century France - sad and wronged life). This image of The Waltz can only enhance, not detract from, this article. Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 01:01, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

As the reverter, I am perceiving in your various comments a sort of infatuation with that particular work of art. The article is already stuffed with images, which adequately communicate various modes of dance. The sculpture, which, in the photo, looks more like The Hug, is such crufty overkill that I implore you to consider the wisdom of its placement in the article. It does not belong there. Has it not yet been placed in the Claudel article? Why not find out what sort of metal it was cast in, and add it to the article on that particular metal? Silver? Pewter?--Quisqualis (talk) 06:18, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Hello Quisqualis. The Waltz is a fine work by a major artist, so yes, I appreciate it, as will many readers. But my point in accenting its unique character and discussing its appearance is that no other major statue seems to capture the movement of dance, and so it would become a good addition to this page (which does have room in the section it was placed in). Maybe others will comment. Another, and perhaps better, option is to include a visual arts "gallery" section in the article, which would present sculptures and paintings. Degas and others come to mind, see Category:Dance in art. Until the fairly recent inventions of photography and film were able to present the visual definition of dance in its various forms, the only way to communicate these appearance was through painting and sculpture. A gallery which can give a historical overview of this communication might be worth considering. Another option is to move Renoir's Dance at Bougival, which is now the only and out-of-place visual artwork represented in the photographic gallery, to the spot where The Waltz had been placed. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:08, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Your mention of the Category:Dance in art should provide you ample opportunity for the dissemination of the photo you are so enamored of. The Renoir does seem misplaced, so feel free to move it. The gallery you are proposing does not belong in the article, though. Consider the concept of mission creep before you start letting those visions dance in your head.--Quisqualis (talk) 17:33, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Ah, okay (?). Yes, it is a beautiful sculpture, and The Waltz is probably the best existing sculpture on the subject of dance (please find a better one). Which is why I brought it to this page, thinking it would represent the topic of dance well. You reverted, and so I tried to communicate my initial reasoning of why I felt that the sculpture would be a good artistic representation of dance for this article. The end result of this? We've found an image of an artwork which we agree on. You'd accept moving Dance at Bougival out of the gallery and into the text, and I heartily agree that it's a fine piece of art to represent dance. So, a good result, and it was fun collaborating with you. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:23, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 September 2019

Please afuckdd the link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contemporary_dance to the text "contemporary dance" in the third paragraph under the heading Origins in the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dance page Evelyn federick (talk) 07:09, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

 Done ___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk (We are the champions, my friends) 18:21, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Rhythm section is out of balance

While I think the discussion of the role of rhythm and its intersection through dance and music is a positive development for the article (and I have not as yet investigated who introduced the section into the article, but thank you), I have to say there are some significant problems with the current wording of the prose. For one, this section is far too long for the amount of encyclopedic information it contains. Second (and explaining the first issues) the tone is way out of step with prose appropriate to an encyclopedia article, instead reading very much like a summary of someone's dissertation. It's loaded with just far too many appeals to authority via in-prose references to academics couched in overly-academic language. Some degree of direct attribution is permissible and even desirable in an encyclopedic summary, but the overall effect here is to create the impression of a non-neutral voice attempting to argue for a particular view of certain phenomena. All of that said, there's a lot of valuable information here, and the sourcing more than satisfactory. But I think this could be written with 50-60% of the words utilized here and be sharper and more encyclopedic for it. Thoughts? Snow ^{let's rap} 04:00, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi @Snow Rise: - I know this is two years old, but I agree with your statement. It is rather superfluous with quotes predominantly from Ted Shawn. The section also misses other cultural perspectives on dance and rhythm. I propose that it be edited to be shorter, less superfluous, and also introduce more global perspectives. Alenmartel (talk) 04:52, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

@Alenmartel: I'm embarassed to say, I had completely forgotten to address this in any way. My time for the project right now as virtually nil, such are the demands of my home and work life at this particular time, so if you feel that you can reduce and restructure the content appropriately, I encourage you to take a crack. If you do, I think, given how much work is needed to bring this into line with encyclopedic tone and reduce the section down to reasonable summary style size, you should feel pretty bold in your removals, and in particular in cutting down one some the researcher callouts, the sheer volume of which is a significant part of the problem that makes this read like it is someone's personal graduate research (which I would not be surprised to learn is the case). Since this may involve cutting significant amounts of content, something which will often catch the eye and concerns of reasonable cautious editors, you may want to include reference to this discussion in your edit summaries so it is obvious you are not working from a lack of previous discussion and so that the concerns expressed here can become part of the analysis any additional editor might make of your removals.

If on the other hand, you are not comfortable making that many reductive edits yourself, for whatever reason, I will attempt to address it as one of my first orders of business when the time comes that I can return to regular editing here: though at present time, when that may be possible is very much up in the air. In any event, thanks for reminding me of this! Snow ^{let's rap} 05:58, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Major updates and additions proposal

Hi all - hoping we can grow this page and to also perhaps update and fix some things that I'll highlight below. Let me know thoughts. Based on consensus, I'm happy to make some of the agreed upon additions/changes (though I am a contemporary dancer and do teach dance history so there may be a COI there).

Much of this page is skewed towards the western context of concert dance (even with the Cultural traditions section present). While there are mentions of non-western dance forms, it'd be good to update and add to this page such that it is more reflective of global perspectives in each of the sections. I know it is impossible to capture ALL perspectives and that that is not the purpose of Wikipedia, but in regards to an article on dance, we can definitely add to this to develop a better spread of global perspectives such that it is not weighted towards one cultural perspective over another. :)

• Performance and participation: this section focuses mostly on western dance forms and on concert dance forms. Furthermore, there are plenty of presentational dances that are not performed on stages, as spectacles, or in a virtuoso manner. For example, site-specific dance, postmodern dance, Hijra dance, indigenous presentational dances, etc. Participatory dance goes beyond social dance or corps in ballet, such as sacred dances that are participatory in nature but have specific religious functions. Also, that participatory dance lacks narrative (and that only ballet differs) is also not true - there are plenty of folk dance performances with narratives that are danced to and for each other in a participatory setting. There are also no sources in this section.

• Dance and music: predominantly western focused. Dance and music and their interplay and integration takes various perspectives, such as in cultures where the word for dance and music are the same.

• Dance and rhythm: most of this section focuses on the perspectives of Lincoln Kirstein and Ted Shawn, both Americans and both western concert dance focused. This does not take into perspective broader perspectives on rhythm and the human body, such as in African and Asian cultures, such as polyrhythm and polycentrism. This section also seems to have superfluous information with regards to Ted Shawn quotes.

• Approaches to dance: see above note on performance and participation. This section could use mention of religious approaches to dance, such as Japanese Kagura, Indigenous dances that are sacred in nature, etc. The participatory and social dance portion of this section is also focused on rhythm. The polyrhythm section on African dance here should be mentioned in the Dance and rhythm section.

• Cultural traditions:

1. Africa - there are mentions of the traditional, neotraditional, and classical styles, but it would also be good to mention the continent's contribution to popular dance (eg. Angolan kizomba). This would add knowledge in regards to Africa's cultural export, which is often underrepresented. Also, this section could also develop to include examples from the continent, eg. west, south, central, north, and east Africa, which have dance forms that differ quite a bit from each other.
3. Asia - focuses on India and the Levant, but is missing mentions of other cultures that were also previously mentioned in this article (eg. China and Japan). I also think it'd be a disservice not to mention the pony dance from Gangnam Style as a global phenomenon ;) . So, we could definitely add to this section.
5. Europe and North America - this should be split to Europe and North America. European folk dance could be expanded a bit to include perhaps how folk dance was used as a tool for national identity-making, which was an important use of folk dance in the 20th century. There is no mention of Indigenous dance in North America, African American dance is underrepresented in terms of its global influence (seems like a list and passing mention). Ballet could have maybe three or four more sentences taking us from the 17th century to present day (eg. up until the time of George Balanchine/globalization?). Same with modern dance, maybe until the postmodern movement started/established/globalized?
7. Latin America - can expand this to include indigenous forms that are still practiced (eg. Mayans, Zapotec, etc.).
9. United States - why does this have its own section when all others are continent-based? While the statement here is reflective of the development of hip hop, it's better suited in the North America section.
11. Australia and Polynesia can be added to represent those areas of the continent from both the colonial, global, and indigenous perspectives.

• Dance education: this section is wholly focused on formal dance training as it exists today. Should we add the historical perspectives? We can also add oral traditions that are still practiced, dance notation's use in dance education (eg. a few hundred years ago, the use of Beauchamp-Feuillet Notation in dance manuals in Europe were used, whereas today Labanotation is used to teach recorded choreographies), and other systems (eg. guru-disciple systems such as in particular Asian cultures).

• Occupations: this section is wholly focused on the western perspective of occupation, but occupation can also be used to include occupations in the religious realm, scholarly realm, etc. Furthermore, 'Dance teachers' is wholly focused on studio dance but dance instruction as a career is actually multi-faceted and also takes place in other contexts (eg. guru-disciple systems, learning in a monastic setting, etc.).

• Competitions: this section can be expanded to include non-studio and non-western competitive practices, eg. cyphers in the breakdancing world, powwow competitions, Japanese Kagura competitions (where scoring includes judging based on the preservation of ancient stories in new choreographies), and so on.

• Gallery: no real comment except to maybe reduce the number of studio dance photos and add some other photos.

Let me know thoughts on the above. I come at this from the perspective of a western concert dancer but also a dance historian (I haven't made any edits yet, in case there is a concern for COI). Alenmartel (talk) 04:46, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Alen, I am not typically in a habit of giving a blanket endorsement to such sweeping page overhaul proposals, but there is very, very little in what you have suggested above which I would not agree would benefit the page considerably. The fact of the matter is, given the breadth of this topic and the importance of this form of art and human activity as a universal matter across cultures, this article is currently significantly below the threshold of content that would be allowed by our page length and summary style policies. In other words, there's room to grow here. And since that would involve mostly an additive process, I think you should consider yourself encouraged to be WP:BOLD on this one in running at this topic, if you feel you have the time to devote to it. Work and home life obligations will unfortunately have me sidelined to an occasional feedback capacity and unfortunately at this time, I cannot predict when those demands will abate, as there are factors out of my control. However, if you ping me whenever you feel like you could use a second opinion on a matter, I will try to respond, however briefly, within a few days, hopefully a week at most. I know that's hardly super responsive, but unfortunately the best I can promise these days.

To get just a little bit into the weeds, so you don't feel you are flying completely solo or without some express consensus (even be it a very small consensus for now):

• Yes, I 100% agree that the 'performance and participation', 'Dance and music', and 'Approaches to dance' sections could all use expansion in terms of both conceptual discussions and cultures represented. In these areas in particular, I advise removals to be kept to a minimum for now (except as needed to adjust the prose for flow) and focus on additions: we can always trim back later if the article becomes too long and unwieldy. In addition to coverage of existing cultural practices and perspectives, I would also like it if we could see some increased discussion about empirical studies on dance, including neurological/biopsychological insights, if you feel competent to research and render those concepts.
• 'Dance and rhythm' has already been discussed in a section above, and I encourage any editor reading this to look at that brief discussion for more detailed insights into some of the problems I feel this section introduces in terms of WP:WEIGHT and encyclopedic tone. This is definitely one section that I think was probably introduced by someone a little to close to the tradition of one dancer and perhaps certain academics. Even if that's not the case, this section really reads like a dissertation and partly as a consequence of this lacks appropriate tone and neutrality, with far too much reliance on direct attribution and anchoring in specific schools of thought--it really needs correction towards a more neutral voice and more general overview. This is really one area where I'd encourage some more substantial trimming even in initial passes; we could easily see more than half of this section going to make it more balanced with the scope of the article as a whole. This is also another area where I think some empirical discussion from the psychological and biological sciences could be useful to help balance out the social science tone a little--but those sources may be difficult to find if the editor searching for them does not have access to larger academic research databases. As per my advice above, if you do end up making edits removing significant portions of the content here, you may want to pepper your edit summaries with references to these discussions, to provide context to any editors who may otherwise become alerted at said removals.
• I agree with the basic restructuring you have contemplated to cultural traditions section. Let's be careful not to make this an everything and the kitchen sink section, since we do have parallel articles and categories that help to flesh out dance in particular cultural contexts, but certainly the susbections could be more robust and the distinctions better organized than at present.
• For the 'Dance education' and 'Occupations' sections, I would advise caution with adding discussion of just any context in which dance becomes semi-professional. Unless dance itself is a significant part of a particular occupation, practice, or pedagogical process, it probably should not get more than the briefest of mention here, if any at all. We do need to draw a line at some point in throwing in reference to any context in which dance occurs, after-all.
• Competitions: Absolutely agree there is a need to adjust this section to be more culturally expansive. Because such a section could easily grow in size quickly though, I'd advise trying to discuss these competitions (of all stripes) at a surface level, with liberal use of internal links (where possible) to other articles to allow follow-ups on particular competitions/traditions as the reader sees fit.
• I actually like the current composition of the gallery pretty well: I even approve of the recent changes made since I last checked in here. But I will admit, I've long thought about adding a large number of additional photos, which is why there is a selection of photos in my sandbox that I have culled from Commons over time: high quality dance images are not as plentiful as one might hope on Commons, so it may be worth looking at that selection, especially as I curated the selection both for photo quality and span of representation of dance varieties. I've long felt tempted to add an extra row to the gallery to accommodate some of these, but there is a page load/mobile user consideration in play that stopped me. However, as the article grows in length, the justification for additional in-line use of images grows as well. So it is my hope that you will be able to accommodate at least the large majority of the images currently used in the gallery, either by keeping them there or moving them to appropriate sections. There is a maximum amount of photos that we should be suing over-all, but I would argue that since dance is a subject that inherently involves a strong visual component in terms of encyclopedic discussion, we can push that threshold here a little, if in any article. In short, try to keep everything in while adding more as space opens up by virtue of increased prose, but do keep an eye on the concern of load times for those on mobile or low-bandwidth connections, as an accessibility matter.

Well, that's all I can think to say by way of general feedback for now. This will be a substantial effort at expansion, so I hope you get some assistance soon. I will try to lend a hand when and how I can, though as I noted before, it is likely to be minimal for now. Still, these are changes of a sort I have felt are a long time coming, so I wish you speedy and productive efforts!

Addendum: Since I am here, while I usually try to constrain my activity on this project (and talk pages in particular) away from expressly social comments, I'd just like to say that I hope my friends on this page are taking care of themselves in these worrisome times--best wishes until we can talk again more liberally about art and other such topics. :) Snow ^{let's rap} 06:55, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Oh, and as regards your concerns about COI, Alen, I don't think there is any real need for worry as far as the issues you have referenced. If, as a dancer or historian, you find yourself tempted to address your own perspectives, especially as a source, then you want to tread with caution and probably get a second opinion before adding anything. But your mere expertise in these fields does not in itself constitute WP:COI as we usually use the term on this project, and is in fact just considered extra useful context that you will be bringing to your editing. Your personal knowledge and expertise doesn't give you extra authority in consensus discussion, and can't be used as a basis for adding content without an appropriate source, but it's also not a knock against your perceived neutrality, provided you follow all relevant content policies. Snow ^{let's rap} 07:00, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Dance

Dance is simply defined as the enjoyment of body movement with music 🎶 Nitil Talukdar (talk) 10:42, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

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A dance that imitates / the move-ment of a lizard 112.198.114.0 (talk) 09:17, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Music and movement

'Music and movement' is re-directed to here, but the article has no mention of it. 86.132.221.167 (talk) 14:33, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Music and Movement was a regular BBC radio broadcast for primary schools in the post-war period and perhaps earlier. It's a shame there isn't an article about it and that the expression redirects here to Dance, where Music and Movement is not mentioned. "Find a space, children!" --- Frans Fowler (talk) 04:29, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

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Kpop

Hi can someone please add a kpop dance picture in the dance section please 41.114.178.238 (talk) 03:32, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

The "Dance on social media" section reads like it's trying to advertise TikTok

Why does it only mention TikTok? Why does it feel like it's just praising TikTok 222.127.72.89 (talk) 02:23, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: Composition and Culture

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 16 January 2024 and 2 May 2024. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Dancer137 (article contribs).

— Assignment last updated by Dancer137 (talk) 19:41, 12 March 2024 (UTC)