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The source, (Iranica) says : "The Cyrtians had nothing to do with the Carduchi, Cordyaei, Gordyaei, and the like, who lived farther west, but it seems plausible that they may have been the ancestors of the modern Kurds." As far as i can see, there is no such thing like "according to their name", right ? Also, i would suggest you to desist from labelling as "warrior" an editor who, in good faith disagrees with you. Thanks.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 00:42, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Florian Blaschke: if you keep refusing to discuss and edit warring, i'll have no other choice but to fill a report at e/w noticeboard.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 00:59, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Brentjes: "Dem Namen nach werden sie als Vorfahren der Kurden angesehen." Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 03:18, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It's quite clear to me what sources he's referring to. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 15:34, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

the other source, (Encyclopedia Iranica) just says : "The Cyrtians had nothing to do with the Carduchi, Cordyaei, Gordyaei, and the like, who lived farther west, but it seems plausible that they may have been the ancestors of the modern Kurds." Why should we give a WP:UNDUE weight to one source over the other ?---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 03:25, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, why? Maybe you can explain that, instead of all the drama. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 05:32, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Joshua Jonathan: Please read my above remark, Encyclopedia Iranica does not include any sentence like "according to their name" and is cited in the article. Why should we favor the BRILL quote over the Iranica one ? Also, don't know what "drama" you're talking about, Florian Blaschke ignored my attempts to solve this issue peacefully, rather, he decided to edit war and make WP:PA edit summary. To make it short, he finds the article's edit button, but when it comes to discuss with others, he cannot find the talk page button. You ought to know by now that Wikipedia works primarily with consensus. Best regards.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 14:27, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Asatrian

Asatrian is a leading scholar in Middle Eastern-related studies, being the founder of the multidisciplinary peer-reviewed academic journal Iran and the Caucasus (link to the website [1]), which is in turn published by Brill Publishers, one the world's most prominent publishers in academic journals/books. His work is routinely cited in other prominent works, such as the recent The Cambridge History of the Kurds. He has also worked with Encyclopædia Iranica, even authoring an important Kurdish related article for them [2]. HistoryofIran (talk) 21:22, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

the “important kurdish article” literally refutes your claim and proves my edit you rv’d, he quite literally denies the connection of the two and also fuels the idea that “kurd” was a social term rather than national/ethnic/racial. referring back to his articles section about controversies this actually proves it right.

I will publish all refutes of his claims and remove him off kurdish wikipedia for good. Volkish Kurden (talk) 15:47, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It refutes my “claims” (those are not claims, but sheer facts) because he has authored an article you dont agree with? Just because you dont agree with him, doesnt make him unreliable. Kurdish was indeed initially a social term per him and various other scholars. And you’re never going to have him removed. Again please see WP:POV, WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS, etc. I hope that I dont have to repeat myself or catch you violating any of our policies again. HistoryofIran (talk) 19:02, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

first off you are talking in a very condescending disrespectful manner which goes against “our policies” per se.

he is a member of dashnak, which is an armenian ultranationalist movement which has sought to create their idealistic “Greater Armenia” which includes historical Kurdish lands.

this is not a case of bias, but anyone like himself who writes biased claims to discredit kurdish history as a whole does not have the right to exist on wikipedia.

During an interview with Onnik Krikorian, he even avoided elaborating the expulsion of Kurds from Armenia, you can find the source here https://groong.org/orig/ok-19980630.html

In the opening lines of his work "Prolegomena to the Study of the Kurds", he presents his academic professionalism perfectly, he simply describes most of Kurdish historiography as amateurish and ironically provides the reason therefor: the politicisation of Kurdish studies by "everyone".

I’m more than happy to refute his academics even more.

you constantly accuse me of such nonsensical claims that it is actually violating the rules you tried to impose on myself, please do not condescend me

again or I will have to report this behaviour.

thanks Volkish Kurden (talk) 20:35, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I decided to skim through your “contributions” to Kurdish articles and have found you constantly use the “right great wrongs” as a way to circumvent the removal of a kurdophobe from wikipedia, I would say that is a very smart move but it is fuelling the misinformation about Kurds.

This is more than enough for me to not respond to you with much detail other than the sources and their backings. Volkish Kurden (talk) 21:22, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think I’ve given you enough WP:ROPE. HistoryofIran (talk) 21:53, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

continuing this behaviour will lead to a report, thank you. Volkish Kurden (talk) 21:57, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Then you best make it before me. HistoryofIran (talk) 22:26, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

merely using your logic against you, plus abhorrent kurdophobia is clearly bannable Volkish Kurden (talk) 22:42, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]