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Claim of West Wittering?

• [1] claims Ella landed at West Wittering, any thoughts on the reliability? (Mind you the Shireine might have been different in 477)?

The evidence for Cymenshore is pretty thin generally, the best guess is that was probably off Selsey, based on some suspect charters that identify where Cymenshore was located. Although the charters themselves are suspect, the placenames on them are thought to be secure as it is possible that the See of Selsey was trying to retrieve episcopal estates from Canterbury (see Kelly p. 89) hence were fabricating the evidence? Hume Wallace did an archaelogical survey of the seabed around Pagham, Selsey and Medmerry in the 90's and he claimed that the shoreline at the time of Ælle would have extended to the Hooe Banks (that's just beyond the Outer Owers on the map on the Cymenshore page) about 5 miles south of the shoreline now. Besides the document, that you have a link to, the 17th century Morden map (also on the Cymenshore page) shows Cymenshore next to W. Wittering. The only discussion I have seen is a hypothesis that it may have been a mistake. Pagham harbour was known as the port of Wythering (or Widdering), and it maybe that some cartographers have mixed the two locations up. If you like you could add W. Wittering as a possible candidate, you have two references available - the Hay and the Morden. I will try and remember where I saw the Wythering/ Wittering discussion. Wilfridselsey (talk) 14:33, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

@Wilfridselsey Thanks. I asked because I came across the resource and thumbed through it ... I was thinking it would make an interesting addition to the West Wittering settlement but I have a feeling the source might not be accurate. I'm reluctant to attempt to shoe-horn this claim into this article and degrade its quality; I might carefully add a qualified weak claim to the West Wittering article at some point.Djm-leighpark (talk) 20:51, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

@Djm-leighpark OK - you could probably include the Morden map in the gallery on the W. Wittering page. I remembered where I saw the discussion on the Wittering vs. Pagham Harbour. It was Heron Allen , the charter says Arest æt Wedering muðe... which some translations are "From Wittering mouth..". This has been taken as the mouth of Chichester Harbour ie: W.Wittering. However, the consensus seems to be that Wedering muðe is Pagham Harbour not W.Wittering. The charter sites Wittering Mouth on the east and Hormouth on the west.Pagham Harbour is on the east and Hormouth (Chichester Harbour mouth) is on the west, which I guess supports Heron Allen's argument? Wilfridselsey (talk) 15:35, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

@Djm-leighpark: - I have now updated Cymenshore to include West Wittering as a possible location. Wilfridselsey (talk) 09:19, 3 May 2020 (UTC)