Talk:Cum nimis absurdum

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Following Pope

It states "The following Pope, Pius IV" - Clearly an error, since the Bull was issued by Pius IV. He is the same Pope, not the following one. [[Mewnews (talk) 00:54, 5 March 2009 (UTC)]][reply]

No. The bull was issued by Paul IV. 03:06, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Context

The should be placed in the context of other anti-Semitic legislation, of the counter-reformation, and of claims of tolerance by the Catholic Church eg http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14761a.htm [[Mewnews (talk) 00:54, 5 March 2009 (UTC)]][reply]

I am not an historian, so I will not edit, but I do not believe, based on my reading Roman historians, including Tacitus and Suetonius, that the description, " [Jews]who had lived freely [in Rome] since antiquity" accurately represents their condition. There was a great deal of antipathy toward Jews on the parts of more than one emperor - Nero leaps to mind. Of course, Titus exterminated large numbers of Jews (in the "Jewish Wars", and sacked their Temple in Jerusalem, as shown on his arch on the Via Sacra. 03:27, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

This can also be placed in the context of similar legislation going back at least as far as the 6th century. The wording "cum nimis absurdum" itself is borrowed from legislation (if I remember correctly) of the Council of Clermont and the Council of Macon, which was adapted into the Decretals and other collections of canon law. Distinctive clothing goes back to the thirteenth century, if not earlier. Adam Bishop (talk) 06:44, 4 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Translation

I hope this isn't overly nitpicky, but in the lead we have the bull beginning "Since it is absurd and utterly inconvenient that the Jews, who through their own fault were condemned by God to eternal slavery" and in the body we have it beginning "Since it is completely senseless and inappropriate to be in a situation where Christian piety allows the Jews (whose guilt - all of their own doing - has condemned them to eternal slavery..." Where does each of these translations come from? –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 22:07, 21 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Important question. FeatherPluma (talk) 05:44, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]