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see the original covered in Wikipedia with this title written by Arthur Hamilton - versions by Julie London and most notably by Ella Fitzgerald http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cry_Me_a_River — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.151.139.237 (talk) 20:27, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Michael Jackson

Apparently, Justin Timberlake wrote this song for Michael Jackson.[1] anemoneprojectors talk 23:02, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Brunette in video

A number of sites state the role was played by Kiana Bessa can anyone confim this?Hey you random (talk) 00:20, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Leona Lewis covered the song on her Labyrinth tour

http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/review-world-class-leona-lewis-at-sheffield-arena-1-855550 Aaron • ^{You Da One} 13:50, 22 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Calvin :D ! — Tomica (talk) 14:05, 22 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Release history (another reference)

http://www.musicstack.com/album/justin+timberlake/cry+me+a+river Hlm Z. (talk) 13:10, 31 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note : IMO, this table is more realistic. Hlm Z. (talk) 13:15, 31 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Un-reliable source on Wikipedia. And how you mean more realistic? The table that I have created has better access. — Tomica (talk) 13:27, 31 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Access? I'm not talking about that. The single was released first time on 11 November 2002, not 24 November. If the dates can be similar between interwiki, it would be nice. Hlm Z. (talk) 14:01, 31 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I fixed due to lack of response. Hlm Z. (talk) 12:49, 1 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

Ok, I just finished my copyedit of the article. It looks like it's in pretty good shape. A few thoughts occurred to me while I was editing it that I would probably bring up in a review. So I figured I'd post them here:

You should double check for consistency with the serial comma.

Does this mean I should apply the comma everywhere? Because tbh, I am not much familiar with the serial comma. — Tomíca^(T2ME) 17:24, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"such as Timberlake's portrayal of a voyeur and the tone of some scenes he was portraying with a girl." Is there a good way around the "portrayal ... portraying" repetition here?

Maybe (although I am not sure) ... "such as Timberlake's representation of a voyeur and the tone of some scenes he was portraying with a girl." ? — Tomíca^(T2ME) 17:51, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds good. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:17, 9 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Make sure you have inline citations after every sentence with a direct quotation in it.

Check once, will check twice too. — Tomíca^(T2ME) 17:51, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Lyrically, the song is a "haunting tale of a man whose heart has been broken but he refuses to look back."[26]" I'd mention in-text who said this.
"Spears recorded an answer song titled "Everytime" for her 2003 studio album In the Zone." I'd suggest moving this to later in the lead.

Which paragraph, second or third? — Tomíca^(T2ME) 17:51, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Probably the third. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:17, 9 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure rock music needs to be wikilinked at all, certainly not twice.

Done. — Tomíca^(T2ME) 17:51, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"the formation of the Timberlake-Timbaland team" I'm not sure if this should be a hyphen or an endash.

Me neither tbh. — Tomíca^(T2ME) 17:51, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I think we use endashes in place of "to" and "and", so yes, endash. —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 19:10, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank You Penguin ;) ! — Tomíca^(T2ME) 21:05, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Justin Bieber recorded a cover of the song together with Kanye West's 2007 single "Stronger"" I'm not sure what you mean by "together with" here?

He recorded covers for the both songs. :) — Tomíca^(T2ME) 17:51, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, so you might be able to remove the stuff about the Kanye song then? Mark Arsten (talk) 16:17, 9 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure if Silveira's explanation merits inclusion in the article.

Removed. — Tomíca^(T2ME) 17:51, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Timberlake performed "Cry Me a River" as the opening song in a promotional concert held at House of Blues in West Hollywood, California on June 17, 2003." This feels a bit trivial to me.

I c/e it. 17:51, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

"... being a peeping Tom, getting revenge and doing stuff that's not really what a nice guy does."" This illustrates nicely why you shouldn't link within quotations -- the film is totally unrelated to what he's saying in the quote. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:16, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, fixes and explanations look good to me. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:17, 9 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The releases section is a little messy and the remixes should be listed separately, since there are some rare ones not listed.

Cry Me A River (J-Groove And Ludikris' "Duality" Remix) (UK Promo CD release), Cry Me A River (Junior's Earth Anthem) (Junior Vasquez Mixes US Promo Vinyl), Cry Me A River (Tribal Earth Mix) (Junior Vasquez Mixes US Promo Vinyl), Cry Me A River (Earth Beats) (Junior Vasquez Mixes US Promo Vinyl), Cry Me A River (Hani Flashback Mix) (Promo Only Underground Club April 2003),

Discogs.com has the Junior vinyl and the UK CD promo listed. Promo Only's website lists the issue with Hani Mix. http://www.promoonly.com/listings/view.php?issueid=2343 http://www.discogs.com/Justin-Timberlake-Cry-Me-A-River-Junior-Vasquez-Mixes/release/1100793 http://www.discogs.com/Justin-Timberlake-Cry-Me-A-River/release/999418 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ong312 (talk • contribs) 09:12, 14 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Not moved (speedy close). No prejudice against making similar proposal only if a reason for request is different. (non-admin closure) George Ho (talk) 15:06, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Cry Me a River (Justin Timberlake song) → Cry Me a River (song) – Please put your reason for moving here. 68.44.51.49 (talk) 23:23, 24 February 2013 (UTC) There's only one song! 68.44.51.49 (talk) 23:23, 24 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. "Cry Me a River" is a song. — Statυs (talk, contribs) 23:26, 24 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for the reason stated by Status above. Deor (talk) 09:41, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. No there is not one song as Status said, I suggest withdrawal. — Tomíca^(T2ME) 12:43, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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'Publisher' citation issues

The guidelines for the use of the {{cite}} templates recommend that 'publisher' should be omitted for periodicals, and clearly state that the 'publisher' parameter should not be used for the name of a work (e.g. a book, encyclopedia, newspaper, magazine, journal, website). My recent edit to bring this article into line with those guidelines was reverted. Why? Colonies Chris (talk) 14:20, 9 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Once again User:Tomica has reverted my changes. You must now come and discuss it here or I will take you to ANI. Colonies Chris (talk) 12:09, 11 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Take me to ANI, why? Reportedly you are the one vandalizing a featured article. I explained you in the previous summary, you are fucking up the works by italicizing some of them, works that should not be italicized; see MTV News, Amazon.com, Jam!, Allmusic etc. And at the end of the day the article went over two FACs no one even complained about the publishers? Why you come here and suddenly removing them? Not just removing them, but also providing wrong way of showing the works too. Pity. — Tomíca^(T2ME) 12:21, 11 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not italicising anything, just using the parameters of the {{cite}} template in the way recommended by the guidelines for that template, as noted in my original comment. If you don't like the way the template formats the parameters, you should approach the builders of the template to get it changed. The guideline at MOS:TITLE#Italics says

Website titles may or may not be italicized depending on the type of site and what kind of content it features. Online magazines, newspapers, and news sites with original content should generally be italicized (Salon.com or The Huffington Post). Online encyclopedias and dictionaries should also be italicized (Scholarpedia or Merriam-Webster Online). Other types of websites should be decided on a case-by-case basis.

And calm down the rhetoric - this change is not 'fucking up the works' of anything, and stop referring to this as 'vandalizing' - if that's what you think it is, I suggest you take me to WP:ANV and see how much support you get. Colonies Chris (talk) 14:11, 11 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah right, you explained yourself good. Now see your edits and look what you italicized (when you should have not) and then come here explain that. As I said, I haven't seen a person apart of you on Wikipedia who complains about a publishers. While listening to you, my recent FAC was about to fail cause I didn't add them. If there is a field in the template I don't see why it shouldn't be used. Don't worry I am not that kind of person that goes to ANI, ANV or etc. and cries about how I was hurt. — Tomíca^(T2ME) 14:42, 11 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Once again, I have not italicised anything. The template is formatting its parameters in the recommended way. I've just used the parameters correctly, as in the guideline I've quoted. Who has been telling you that you need to have publisher for FAC? I'll speak to them directly - they are misinformed. Publisher is not required, and the recommendation is to not include it - see the links and quotes above. Publisher is to be omitted for the simple reason that it has no value - anyone checking the reference will not be helped in any way by knowing that Billboard is (currently) published by Prometheus - over the years it's been published by several different companies, and knowing that won't help anyone. Did you know that the superfluous 'publisher' parameter values for Billboard and other charts were removed from the {{Singlechart}} template over a year ago, without a single complaint? And there were similar removals from the {{Album chart}} template a month ago, again without anyone complaining. Colonies Chris (talk) 22:14, 11 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Spoken Wikipedia!

Reception summary

Tho I couldn't find a source that explicitly calls the song acclaimed, in the Reception section are only praise and best-of-the-decade lists. Should acclaim be instead of generally positive reviews (?) CC Tomica.- Cornerstonepicker (talk) 21:01, 22 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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