Talk:Criticism of welfare

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the article title needs to be changed

Shouldn't this be "criticisms of welfare statism" or "criticisms of welfare states" instead? byelf2007 (talk) 17 October 2011

Seconded: the section dealing with the welfare debate in the UK is appalling and is very obviously the result of an editing war. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.29.188.242 (talk) 15:18, 11 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree, because the target of some of the criticism is actually the concept of "welfare" itself (see for instance García Calvo's Analysis of Welfare Society in the External links section of Welfare State). That's a further reason why anarchist criticism of welfare should be dealt with in a separate section. Socialists and conservatives may well reject the "Welfare State" without rejecting the idea of welfare as such, while anarchists will criticize (1) the institution of the State and (2) what is commonly conceived as "welfare" on independent grounds.--Spanishtranslator (talk) 16:40, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Scoialist and anarchist critisims section is at least 50% wrong.

Why would a Marxist hate welfare states? A welfare state, while not synonymous with Socialism is very socialist in nature. A Marxist would see that as step forward from capitalism, not a step backwards. Sabre ball (talk) 15:16, 15 February 2012‎

The above comment was copied across from Wikipedia:WikiProject The Scoialist and anarchist critisims section is at least 50% wrong. where it had been placed by accident. Bencherlite ^Talk 19:38, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Anarcho-capitalism

Would a criticism of welfare from an anarcho-capitalist perspective belong under "Libertarian and conservative criticisms" or "Socialist and anarchist criticisms"? 75.130.133.120 (talk) 02:56, 12 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the move request was: Moved. (non-admin closure) Cwmhiraeth (talk) 14:10, 14 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Criticisms of welfare → Criticism of welfare – Per WP:CONCISE, WP:CONSISTENT and WP:PLURAL. I think the same should also be done for the few remaining Criticisms of articles (per this Colin M's comment, starting by this one, unless there's somithing I'm missing for the why the plural is used or necessary as exceptions.--Davide King (talk) 05:45, 30 January 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 14:06, 7 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes it looks like there are more that use the singular (115) than the plural (10) so this probably makes sense per WP:CONSISTENCY. Crouch, Swale (talk) 21:25, 7 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the move request was: No consensus to move after relist (t · c) buidhe 23:03, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Criticism of welfare → Criticism of the welfare state – The criticism does not apply to welfare but to the welfare state. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:30, 18 June 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Megan B.... ^{It’s all coming to me} till the end of time 10:23, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. More accurate and "Criticism of welfare" is highly ambiguous in any case. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:42, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Per WP:CONCISE. I'm afraid I don't see how it's ambiguous here in the slightest. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 00:02, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment See the main article on welfare. It includes all efforts towards providing social welfare, including through "non-government organizations (NGOs), and charities (social and religious)." This is wider than the welfare state. Dimadick (talk) 08:35, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  By the ordering of the first two paragraphs in the lead of welfare I infer that the narrower definition is more common, and therefore consider it acceptable and minimally ambiguous use. Therefore I oppose this as well. If someone wants to write on criticisms of non-state welfare there's no reason why it couldn't also be included in this article. Alpha3031 (t • c) 14:04, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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