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Comparing criticism of Judaism article to other articles in criticism of religion series

It's truly intriguing and interesting to see this article in comparison to criticism of Islam article, or article on criticism of Christianity. Most of all it's amazing how we are able to write a thorough and long texts in these articles critical of everything Islamic, and I mean, o boy, Criticism of Islam article is humongous and written in a fashion of some official academic or governmental expose, but somehow very rarely checked for misusing of sources. So, at first it was really strange that this article had been scrutinized like no other and found that its sources were "misused", but we are often very sensitive in case of all other articles critical of everything Jewish or Israeli, but then again, shouldn't we all be in line with old proverb “balanced and Zionist in nature.”

Shame for the good article this once was.--Santasa99 (talk) 23:12, 9 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@Santasa99: It sounds like you're of the opinion that editors biased in favor of Judaism have made this article shorter than articles critical of Islam and Christianity, or that editors biased against Islam have made that criticism article longer. That may be the case, though sometimes articles end up different lengths because editors who are most active simply have different interests. It's also possible that there is simply a different amount of material to cover for different religions, or a different constellation of subarticles to which content has been offloaded. I do think it would be very surprising if the people who love a particular religion diligently documented every notable criticism of it, so really we need people of all perspectives to make balanced articles. In any case, if you think this article is too short, the only cure is to provide content backed by reliable sources. If you think other articles make dubious claims or use unreliable sources, point them out. If your additions and deletions ring true, consensus will support them in the long run. -- Beland (talk) 09:21, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, completely. In the meantime I learned to accept inner dynamics of our project with all its obvious shortcomings. It is unfortunate, but not surprising, that the project reflect our worldly identity troubles, often turning it into digital battleground, a battle of wills if you will, or as one Serbian chauvinist politician once said, before ending his career in Hague's prison units, that "peace is just continuation of war with other means".-౪ Santa ౪^99° 12:54, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Criticisms of Circumcision

I think it would be interesting to put criticism of circumcision in this article, which has a long history. For example, Judeans were not allowed to participate in the Olympics (which were naked) due to the Romans considering them to be deformed/mutilated. Paul had a very similar view, wishing those who advocated circumcision to castrate themselves. There's also a lot of modern examples. --Monochrome_Monitor 20:29, 5 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that modern examples are lacking. The Dutch medical society KNMG ([1] (in Dutch) and [2]) discourages non-therapeutic circumcision. There are plenty of other recent examples. JFW | T@lk 10:46, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thomas Jefferson

I took out:

Thomas Jefferson was critical of Judaism as he was of all revealed religion. He was also critical of Judaism's rituals for failing to further practical virtues. He believed Judaism lacked a belief in an afterlife, which he held was necessary for human ethical behavior in this life. Nevertheless, he argued for full rights of citizenship for America's Jews and assiduously defended their freedom of religion.^[1]^[2]

This seems more relevant to the TJ article. It isn't philosophical crit (which was the section it was in) it is practical / utilitatrian; and TJ's views on citizenship are irrelevant here William M. Connolley (talk) 10:38, 26 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Eli Kavon (3 July 2010). "America's Founding Fathers and Judaism". Jerusalem Post.
^ "Jefferson and the Jews". Jewish Virtual Library.

Criticism of Judaism

Early criticism of Judaism and its texts, laws, and practices originated in inter-faith polemics between Christianity and Israel.

So the Romans had no opinion on this? 57.135.233.22 (talk) 20:15, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Eli Kavon (3 July 2010). "America's Founding Fathers and Judaism". Jerusalem Post.

[2] "Jefferson and the Jews". Jewish Virtual Library.

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