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The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the South Park episode "Crippled Summer" featured several mentally handicapped children meant to resemble Looney Tunes cartoon characters?

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The Bugs Bunny Joke

Jimmy's ukulele solo and the tune which makes it explode seems very similar to the piano with Bugs Bunny and Yosemite Sam in Ballot Box Bunny and the xylophone with Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck in Show Biz Bugs. -JRSiebz (talk) 02:43, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That gag was taken from an eariler cartoon called Private Snafu, in the epsisode "Booby Traps".

Yes It actually is taken from a Bug Bunny gag. A lot of the handicapped kids also have speech patterns like that of Bugs Bunny Characters.

Website Address

What was the website address at the end that mentioned ~~Alec~~ Stephen Baldwin in it?

I believe it said restorestephenbaldwin.com -JRSiebz (talk) 05:28, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It says: "If you know a towel that is suffering from addiction, please go to www.restorestephenbaldwin.org". I was wondering whether this has more relevance than just the fact that Baldwin once had a drug habit and rehabilitated? 94.170.90.42 (talk) 02:03, 2 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Seeing as the article mentions the link three times, I think two of these could be removed. Thoughts?--TimothyJacobson (talk) 12:08, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Also, why do none of these link to http://www.restorestephenbaldwin.org/ but only to the page of Stephen Baldwin?--TimothyJacobson (talk) 12:08, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Warner Brothers Characters

Anyone else notice that many, if not most of Jimmy's team mates were based on old Warner Brothers characters? I definitely saw Elmer Fudd and Porky Pig, plus a couple others that seems oddly familiar

I could identify those two and also Droopy. Maybe we should make a list?

There was also the VUlture character "Killer" I think his name was. There was one that sounded very familiar, But I can't really put my finger on it. One of the bad guys was Mugsy.

What characters are parodied? I think i recognize Elmer Fudd, Droopy D, the bald eagle from the bugs bunny cartoon, Mugsy's sidekick... any more?

Pete Puma, Beaky Buzzard (he's the bird you were talking about), also one of the non-speaking characters greatly resembled Foghorn Leghorn. Dahumorist (talk) 17:29, 1 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have once again removed the cultural references section due to a lack of sourcing. The statements made are very specific and need a third party source to back up the comparison. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 01:41, 30 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And let me guess...if someone went ahead and showed a very clear screenshot comparison, you'd remove that for not using free images, and for being original research?

I love how Wikipedia is the only place in the world were simple, obvious facts are irrelevant until entirely independent, arbitrarily declared notable sources unpromptedly produce material that is coincidentally useful.

213.39.158.163 (talk) 03:28, 30 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I would remove it because its original research and, therefore, against policy (see WP:OR). If you don't like the policies set forth by Wikipedia, you are more than free to move along to another online encyclopedia or to create your own.

Look, if I noticed it and you noticed it, then there are surely some reputable sources that noticed the homage too. Just find one of them, it's that simple. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 04:09, 30 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I do not agree with Ghostexorcist, it should be noted that certain characters look like Warner Brothers characters, as it is obvious, with or without facts/sources, just watch the episode, theres all the proof/source you need. Policies should not always be followed to the line. 80.229.169.189 (talk) 10:11, 2 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Anon, that's not what Ghostexorcist said or meant. They suggested that there should surely be a reputable source to prove what's being said if it really is as obvious as you say. And in all the time it took various anons to spam and vandalise the talk page with their opinions, someone else went ahead and added cites for the cultural references... Alastairward (talk) 14:23, 2 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Apart from Elmer Fudd, Porky Pig, Droopy, Beaky Buzzard and Pete Puma the blue team also had parodies of Foghorn Leghorn (ambulance scene, non speaking), Taz, the Tasmanian devil (drummer, kept in a leash, non speaking) and Sylvester the cat (in the canoe, percussionist, one line after winning the canoe race). --Alex:D (talk) 11:43, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If you are going to talk about e Looney a tunes characters referenced, please get it right. Someone mixed up the shorts (and they are shorts, not episodes) about the piano scene. I fixed it, Yosemite Sam rigs the piano in Ballot Box Bunny. Katana Geldar (talk) 11:51, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Photo

Why is there a photo of Trey Parker; that photo may as well be on any South Park episode for the use it gives here--TimothyJacobson (talk) 12:10, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Crippled Summer/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Xtzou (Talk) 19:15, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I am reviewing this article for GA. I have done some minor copy editing and have the following comments to make.

Comments

Towelie - I don't get him. What does he look like? A towel? - okay, now I've watched the episode, but I still think a little more could be explained in the article.
- Is there not a link to the character description on another page?--TimothyJacobson (talk) 12:05, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"excessive use of marijuana, crystal meth, heroin and crack cocaine" - would not any use of heroin and crack cocaine be considered excessive, for example?

"soliciting oral sex to strangers for money in the alleys" - this doesn't sound right - "solicit from"? "offering oral sex to strangers"?

"The boys set up Towelie to go in a room so they can give emotional speeches to him as a plea to help him from killing himself" - very involved sentence. Can you leave out "to go in a room"?
"He refuses their pleas until Butters reveals Towelie's child" - Towelie didn't know about his child?

"Later, it is discovered that Towelie completed rehab" - passive voice; who discovered?

"but is repeatedly foiled from Mimsy misinterpreting his instructions" - repeated foiled by?

"Parker and fellow series co-creator Matt Stone originally planned for the tenth season episode "A Million Little Fibers" to be about Towelie's struggle to overcome addiction in the style of the television series Intervention, with the children and residents of South Park coming together to help him, just as it was done in "Crippled Summer". However, after writing portions of the story for the tenth season episode, they found they did not know where to bring the story or how to resolve it, so they completely revamped the episode and focused it on talk show host Oprah Winfrey and the controversy surrounding the James Frey book A Million Little Pieces." - I don't understand this. Are you saying this episode focused on Oprah Winfrey etc., as Oprah is not mentioned in the plot? If not, why do you have all this here?
- What I'm saying here is that the idea of an Intervention parody about Towelie's addiction (the basis of "Crippled Summer") was originally planned to be used for this "A Little Million Fibers" episode, but once they had trouble resolving it, they scrapped it and switched the focus to Oprah instead. I thought this was clear already in the wording, but I tried to tweak it a bit. If it is still unclear, let me know and I'll try rewording it again... — Hun ter Ka hn 20:57, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"Not all reviews of "Crippled Summer" were positive. MTV writer Adam Rosenberg found the episode almost entirely funny," - do you mean "unfunny"?

Otherwise, things look ok. I may add more comments.

Xtzou (Talk) 19:15, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I responded to all your comments and made the appropriate changes. (Please see my one note above regarding the Oprah bit.) Thanks! — Hun ter Ka hn 20:57, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Query

Is this new addition http://tvbythenumbers.com/2010/05/04/cable-rankings-18-4918-34-nba-playoffs-top-18-49-viewing-south-park-the-hills-tops-with-18-34/50482 considered a reliable source? The "About" section says it is run by two newbie guys. Xtzou (Talk) 21:51, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- TV by the Numbers has been talked about before (see here and here). I find TBTN to be a very reliable source (I've used it in just about every television episode article I've ever written, including the ones you've reviewed.) Not only do they provide more info on Nielsen ratings than any other source out there, but they have been quoted and cited by major newspapers, which I think indicates it is legitimate. The New York Times has it on their sources list (see the "Blogroll" section of this page), and the site has been quoted by many reliable sources like The New York Times, The New York Post and others. — Hun ter Ka hn 22:04, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - Okay. I admit their numbers seemed well thought out. I think the episode is hilarious. Especially Towelie. Xtzou (Talk) 22:13, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - lol Me too. — Hun ter Ka hn 22:35, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

Is it reasonably well written?
A. Prose quality: Clear writing

B. MoS compliance: Complies with the basic MoS
Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
A. References to sources: Sources are reliable

B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary: Well referenced

C. No original research:
Is it broad in its coverage?
A. Major aspects: Sets the context

B. Focused: } Remains focused on topic
Is it neutral?
Fair representation without bias:
Is it stable?
No edit wars, etc:
Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
Overall:
Pass or Fail: Pass!

Nice job! Xtzou (Talk) 22:43, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

200/Crippled Summer double standard

I notice this in the reviews section, and in the articles for 200/201: the jokes about rape and the disabled were used (by columnists iF and MTV) as a point about censorship. However, I don't know if this is lede-worthy... Sceptre ^(talk) 19:37, 12 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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