Talk:Creep (TLC song)

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GA Review

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Reviewer: Jamiehino (talk · contribs) 12:30, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

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This article incorporates a broad range of unbiased and factual information, supported by a variety of relevant images and audio clips. No copyright violations are present and there is no unnecessary or excessive details. Overall, this article is excellent, one of the best that I have come across regarding a song.

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

   There is no excessive information, and all spelling and grammar is correct and consistent.

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

   All sources references are valid and reliable, and there is no plagiarised information or original research.

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

   Information is organised effectively, so as to maintain readability and accessibility. All important aspects are covered and the article remains focused on the topic at hand.

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

   All information is represented fairly and there is no bias present.

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

   The article is stable with no edit wars or anything of the like.

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

   Images and audio files are relevant and incorporated highly effectively. Images are tagged correctly and are used appropriately with suitable and informative captions that are relevant to the section they are in.

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

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Creep Recording Date

Just for our knowledge as editors and not for inclusion in the article, this is a screenshot of the email. He has confirmed for me that they recorded most of this song in 1993. If Mr. Brathwaite contributed to an official interview independent of our conservation, it would be nice if he cleared this up. He did not respond to my request, to release this in an interview though :( .--Carmaker1 (talk) 00:08, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

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Copy edit required

This article needs copy editing because at this point, it is absolutely not up to GA quality. Some choice quotes upon scanning the article:

• that cheat back at their lovers for the attention
• Despite this, LaFace and Arista Records still released the song as the album's lead single on October 31, 1994, which subsequently granted both critical acclaim and commercial success
• the song climbed into the United Kingdom's and New Zealand's top-tens and gained many top-forty peaks in near countries
• For the music video, the trio scrapped the first two versions as disappointing results.
• Time magazine, music critic Robert Christgau and AllMusic's Stephen Thomas Erlewine all declared the track as one of CrazySexyCool best.
• Aaron went on to call the track as its producer's "commercial/artistic apex."
• After more than a month staying in the top ten, "Creep" finally reached the number one title on January 28, 1995
• In 1996, "Creep" continued to receive moderate European success after re-issuing on January that year.

Not to insult whoever wrote this because it's not the worst thing I've read, but I think it's clear English is not your first language. Some lines could be improved by taking just one or two words out (for instance, if the song is "declared" something, we don't need to say "[critic] declared it as") and some just need to be rewritten entirely. I can see that even in April 2017 when the page was promoted to good article status, some of these lines were intact. I think in future, there needs to be more thorough grammatical checking on good articles like this. This is honestly just the tip of the iceberg. Ss112 14:51, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

February 2018 copy edit

@Beyoncetan: I did copy edit, but I feel the article has some content issues. A few notes:

• First off, there was an awful lot of WP:OVERLINKING. There's really no reason to link common things like album, concert, film, television, Europe, heart, brain, etc., or to give three Grammy Award links in one sentence. This doesn't serve the reader. Also, linking should not be used in place of emphasis. Try to give specific links that the reader is more likely to find useful.
• Secondly, I feel like this article has way too many quotes. Some illustrative quotes are okay to convey specific points. However, Wikipedia uses summary style and prefers that editors phrase material in their own words.
  • There were some inline quotes in the 50–80 word range which I put in a block quotes. The threshold for block quotes is generally 40 words. The little side quote boxes are no longer recommended due to accessibility issues (MOS:BQ). Editors might alternatively consider paraphrasing or paring down the quotes to only what is necessary to convey the essential information.
  • The section Musical stye and composition has a lot of short descriptive quotes about the music. I don't especially like this given in Wikipedia's voice and feel it might be better to give some inline attribution on these opinions. (eg: according to X...)
• There may also be a bit too much trivia, like their wardrobe choices on concert tours. If you get rid of some of the extraneous content and quotes, the prose could be tightened up considerably.
• he gave up the idea of the girls wearing the silk pajamas. I'm not sure what this means. To "give up" usually means to quit or concede, to stop making an effort and resign to failure, but I'm not getting this sense from the context. What if this was "put forward the idea"? Or even simpler, "suggested"? (Simpler is usually better for plain English).

My original words were "gave out the idea," but someone edited them. I will follow your suggestions though. Beyoncetan (talk) 09:45, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

• There are two people named Reid in the credits, so be sure it is clear which person is referred to when only the surname Reid is used (ie: in section Background and development).
• After Lopes's decrease in 2002 – what does decrease mean here? Should this be death?

Yes. Beyoncetan (talk) 09:45, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

• All portraits, in my opinion, are as much as a portrait of the person who made the image – could you check the source and see if the second as should be there?
• There was a mix of en- and em-dashes, both spaced and unspaced. I changed these to spaced en-dashes for consistency.

If you have any questions or comments, please give me a {{ping}}. Thanks! – Reidgreg (talk) 19:43, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

@Reidgreg: Thank you for your copy edit. It was really helpful. Hope you don't mind me asking more questions in the future. Thank you again. Beyoncetan (talk) 09:45, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

@Beyoncetan: I've got a lot on my plate but please do contact me. Nobody wants to see an article get delisted, and maybe I can do some additional copy edit when some of the other issues are addressed. – Reidgreg (talk) 14:22, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

@Beyoncetan: I understand you're probably trying to further help out a page you nominated and got promoted to GA status, but unfortunately, it appears you're still contributing further grammatical mishaps to the page: a distinctive sound for the trio whose most of early works are new jack swing. They may be a minor, but this is how it started in the first place: a few minor edits all over the page turned into plenty of grammatical errors. Ss112 02:25, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Creep Production

Judging by many of my previous posts and contributions to this article, it is very telling that many of the people who frequent here are deliberately dismissive of it all. Well, I have the 1993 demo version of Creep, individual multitracking, and instrumentals, all created prior to being decided as the lead single in April 1994 by LA Reid. I am not going to share any of them here via any links, because naturally I do not trust anyone faceless nor am I too motivated by the utter disregard for previous information I have provided. In that respect, I am simply reconfirming Creep was recorded and produced between December 1993 and March 1994. The demo does not have a spoken intro like the LP version, is a little more uptempo and is much shorter. Has a run time of 3:10 versus 4:31 and some adlibs. Carmaker1 (talk) 00:26, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Genre feud

I have a concern about the genre of this song. It says R&B but if you're a hip-hop head you'd know that this is a hip hop soul song as it samples 'Hey Young World' by Slick Rick.