Talk:Controversies involving Javier Milei

Inclusion treshold

"Controversy" is a strong word, and we should list only actual controversies. Things whose reactions lasted for quite a time, or had lasting consequences. And needless to say, things said or done by Milei himself. "Milei said X", just that, is not a controversy, it's just a phrase. If someone else with some link to Milei was involved in a controversy, that belongs in that someone's own article, not here, unless Milei himself takes part in the whole thing. Cambalachero (talk) 18:30, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Agreed. Many of these are related to the political campaign, and maybe Mileis 2023 campaign deserves its dedicated article instead, as there are now 3 articles covering it in different ways; main article Javier Milei, Public image of Javier Milei and this one. That would be a more natural flow and in accordance with WP:CRITS. Pedantic Aristotle (talk) 01:31, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

First of all, despite our disagreements and not having been able to check every edit and change, I appreciate the work you did with the new article and the re-structuring you did, especially because, from what I have seen, you have been able to keep most of the content and simply re-organized it or moved it to other related articles, which could be a solution also adopted here. However, there are clearly many "Criticism of" and "Controversies of" articles. That is because WP:CRITS also says: "In some situations the term "criticism" [or controversy I may add, since there are many article named like this] may be appropriate in an article or section title, for example, if there is a large body of critical material, and if independent secondary sources comment, analyze or discuss the critical material." Milei has clearly been a controversial politician, for better or worse. Davide King (talk) 13:08, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

@Davide King sure, I think differing opinions are only a benefit to the final result. Also agreed on criticism/controversies, there is such a large amount we need to find a way to include it at an ongoing basis. Pedantic Aristotle (talk) 00:18, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Indeed, and there is much more that could have been further added. But these were what I thought, from reading sources and research (plus some from es.wiki), the most notable ones. I do not understand which one precisely you feel should be removed. I have also included investigations, and his Bitcoin company promotion resulted in a lawsuit. As you can see, I did not add every single interview (indeed, pretty much everything that Milei says or has said has been to some extent controversial but I did not add everything of course) where he said something that could be seen as controversial but the A24 interview seemed to me the most notable and went viral on social media, how is that not worth discussing? I have also since added one further ref that explicitily cites Milei. If the issue is related more to it being here rather than the content itself, we can work together to decide where to locate it, since further Milei-related articles have been created, without losing any info. Davide King (talk) 13:03, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

The category Category:Controversies by person has only 12 pages, and 3 of them are redirects. There aren't that many articles like this one. What we usually have is articles about specific controversies, and a related category if a given individual is involved in many (as Category:Donald Trump controversies, with no parent article). Cambalachero (talk) 13:25, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Merge article with Public image

Merge – We should merge the content of this article with the Public image article. As per WP:CRITS, this is the recommended approach; "For example, if a politician received significant criticism about their public image, create a section entitled "Public image" or "Public profile", and include all related information—positive and negative—within that section." In our case, there is enough content for an article on Public image, and the number of controversies are sufficiently notable to warrant its own section within it, but probably not its own article. Pedantic Aristotle (talk) 01:09, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Not sure whether it warrants its own article but we may be forced to create one anyway due to space issues. So I would add here the controversies listed at Public image of Javier Milei, which is likely going to grow even bigger during his presidency. Instead, a "Controversy" section would be most appropriate at the "Public image" article, where it would be one or two paragraphs summarizing this. Davide King (talk) 13:11, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Now that I think about it, from "Public image of Javier Milei":

5.1 COVID-19
5.2 Climate change
5.3 Cultural Marxism
5.4 Military coups and Dirty War
5.5 Sale of children

All those sections should be moved at "Political positions of Javier Milei" where they are missing. For example, the section about vaccinations could be expanded with that about COVID-19, and so on. I would either remove "Controversies" from the "Public image" article or have a short paragraph summarizing this article; in line with WP:CRIT, any controversy or criticism to be discussed at the "Public image" article is better handled directly in the body rather than segregate it. Davide King (talk) 23:49, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

@Davide King My main problem with that, is that it's difficult to pinpoint any specific political positions from these paragraphs. While maybe related, this short list is primarily highly controversial topics.

However, where relevant, I agree that's the best approach. E.g for organ sale, I ended up with including that one in political positions because it can be tied to a political proposal, even though its not an official proposal.

Perhaps a section in Public image covering his many controversial statements, within a context of his way of communicating would warrant inclusion of more examples. There are many of them missing, some quite more colorful than the ones included so far. It could also include how his speech has changed since he got elected (im assuming that's been written about).

For now I think the articles should grow larger again, before there is a need to reorganize and split further. Pedantic Aristotle (talk) 00:57, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

For the first time Argentina has a truly capitalist president and we should support him. I am a completely fluent speaker of Argentine Spanish with no accent. I was born and raised in Buenos Aires of 100 percent anglo-irish blood I am an Anglo-Argentine, a person who was a fellow at Oxford University in computational fluid dynamics and a Fellow of the UK Defence Research Agency and I can categorically tell you that Milei is an outstanding thinker, economy and politician and that this article is the works of leftist Peronists who are trying to discredit him, and those Peronist and leftist forces that have totally RUINED Argentina during the past 70 years. We owe it to Argentina to delete this article. 51.6.23.48 (talk) 22:45, 25 December 2023 (UTC)