Talk:Construction of electronic cigarettes

Change to archive setting

minthreadsleft = 2 is better. This encourages discussion of new topics. Resolved discussions should be archived. QuackGuru (talk) 15:57, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Help:Archiving a talk page. It says "Note: Make sure to establish consensus before setting up lowercase sigmabot III or ClueBot III on a talk page other than your user talk page."

Since this talk page is not very busy, I am willing to compromise at 3 threads.

But on busy talk pages, I have bumped that up to 6 or 8 without objection. People don't like other people arbitrarily trying to close off discussions.

And resolved past discussions avoids repetition, but only if people see it. Talk pages should never be archived to the point that they are empty. People can be discouraged from participating. -- Timeshifter (talk) 16:04, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

I been manually archiving it. It discourages new discussion to keep old discussion. QuackGuru (talk) 16:07, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Please let auto archiving do it. It usually has a delay so that threads don't disappear soon after they are created. For example; when you just created 4 more threads. It avoids the appearance of gaming the bot in order to stifle discussion. See:

{{Archives |bot=Lowercase sigmabot III |age=14 |units=days}}

It was set at a 14 day delay before I arrived here. That is reasonable. Many pages have the delay set at the default 30 days of the main archiving template parameter: algo = old(30d)

That can be found here: User:Lowercase sigmabot III/Archive HowTo. Example 2: Incremental archives.

Help:Archiving a talk page says: "Article talk page threads should not typically be archived in less than 30 days except for very busy talk pages."

To avoid duplicating archive links in 2 locations I am using this: {{Auto archiving notice|bot=Lowercase sigmabot III|age=14}}

Instead of {{Archives |bot=Lowercase sigmabot III |age=14 |units=days}}

-- Timeshifter (talk) 01:41, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Nicotine levels

Following was deleted, needs more sources but looks to be correct. In many countries for instance, nicotine content of e-liquid is regulated to be less than or equal to 20mg/mL and often, contents of the refill bottles is regulated too (i.e. not exceeding 10mL). That fits with the fact that nicotine levels over 20mg can thus be considered "high-strength". Add sources and reintroduce. Regarding the number of puffs per refill bottle: I mentioned this because then it can be calculated how much cigarettes would equal to 1 e-cigarette refill bottle of of say 2ml. The whole thing is important, because it allows a more accurate comparison to be done between e-cigarettes and cigarettes in terms of health (comparing cigarettes and e-cigarettes containing a same amount of nicotine and smoking/vaping a comparitive same amount of smoke). I would also like to see mg/ml, % nicotine levels for medium-strength and very low strength (I estimate these to be at 12 mg and 3 mg respectively, but needs extra checking/ref) Genetics4good (talk) 17:27, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Different pod mods exist, containing a variety of nicotine levels. Nicotine liquid levels which are called "high-strength" have 18 mg/ml (1,8%) of nicotine (or more) and those called "low-strength" have 6 mg/ml (0,6%) of nicotine (or less). There are also medium-strength, very low strength and nicotine-free (O mg/ml, 0% nicotine) pods. Vaping with pods with lower nicotine strengths are believed to be healthier, if the total amount of consumed liquid per day (of the previously used higher-strenth liquid) remains the same. Pod sizes differ, but many may hold up to 1 to 2 ml. An average regular cigarette (different cigarettes have different amounts of nicotine in them, i.e. 6-28 mg of which you inhale just a small portion (1,1-1,8mg) may thus contain more or less nicotine depending on what e-cigarette pod you use, how much you use of that e-liquid pod per day, and what brand of cigarette you compare it with (and how much of these you smoke per day).

References

The unsourced, unverifiable, and off-topic content was removed. Unreliable sources including a blog were also removed. The rewritten sourced and relevant content was moved to the appropriate section.[1] QuackGuru (talk) 17:37, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

I see the following remains

E-liquids contain nicotine in a variety of different strengths including medium-strength, very low strength, and no nicotine.[186] An average a regular cigarette contains 6-28 mg of nicotine or the user will inhale about 1.1 to 1.8 mg of nicotine if just a portion is used.[187] On average an e-cigarette contain 0.5-15.4 mg of nicotine per 15 puffs.[187] The concentration of nicotine in e-liquid ranges up to 36 mg/ml.[188] In practice the nicotine concentration in an e-liquid is not a reliable guide to the amount of nicotine that reaches the bloodstream.

at least change to (I know you need more sources for some things, but these can be found on line, and I already had a ref for the high strength/low strength with amounts, and a ref for the existence of very low strength and medium strength):

E-liquids contain nicotine in a variety of different strengths including high strength (18 mg/ml (1,8%) of nicotine), medium-strength (12 mg/ml (1,2%) of nicotine), low-strength (6 mg/ml (0,6%) of nicotine), very low strength (3 mg/ml (0,3%) of nicotine), and no nicotine.[186] An average a regular cigarette contains 6-28 mg of nicotine and the user will actually inhale about 1.1 to 1.8 mg of nicotine.[187] On average an e-cigarette contain 0.5-15.4 mg of nicotine per 15 puffs.[187] The concentration of nicotine in e-liquid ranges up to 36 mg/ml.[188] In practice the nicotine concentration in an e-liquid is not a reliable guide to the amount of nicotine that reaches the bloodstream. Genetics4good (talk) 17:55, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

This section uses a variety of sources. Which source can be used for which claim? If you can find other reliable sources those can also be used. QuackGuru (talk) 18:06, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Changed text a bit to include the numbers (source: E-cigarette puffing patterns associated with high and low nicotine e-liquid strength: effects on toxicant and carcinogen exposure (study protocol). That source also mentions existence high and low nicotine levels, the other nicotine levels are mentioned in the Nicotine Levels in Electronic Cigarettes article (but that doesn't mention exact numbers, so left that one out).

Something else to mention on this page would be that the legal level in the USA is 24 mg/ml (so a bit more then in europe). You find that mentioned on the pdfs at the American E-liquid Manufacturing Standards Association or just do a google search.

Lastly, and perhaps the most important one: the comparison with regular cigarettes. I found this at https://ec.europa.eu/health/sites/health/files/tobacco/docs/fs_ecigarettes_en.pdf :

"An e-cigarette with a concentration of 20mg/ml delivers approx. 1 mg of nicotine in 5 minutes (the time needed to smoke a traditional cigarette, for which the maximum allowable delivery is 1mg of nicotine)"

It does not say however how much ml is in the e-cigarette tank, I'm assuming just 1 ml but if we know this, you could calculate it out further.

Perhaps useful info to integrate on this page. Genetics4good (talk) 11:46, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

E cigarette Battery

Battery is an important element in powering vape devices for vaping. Vaporizer battery is similar to all batteries,we use in our day to day life performing same function of power supply. Lithium is the material used in making vape batteries. Vape Device can be charged, when the voltage needed to vaporize the e juice state. The highest known capacity of vape battery is 3600 mAh. . Many fake vape batteries are sold in the market

Vapehound (talk) 11:18, 8 November 2020 (UTC)