Talk:Con Los Años Que Me Quedan

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Proposed move

The proposed move to English style capitalizaion does not seem non-controversial: The article was recently changed in the opposite direction on the ground that the capitalization of Spanish titles is different from English titles. I have no opinion on the subject, but there should be discussion before the move is made. —teb728 t c 04:46, 24 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The guidelines at WP:CAPS state that: "If the article is about a work in a foreign language (such as a book or other written work, movie, album, or song), using the capitalization found in most English language reliable sources is recommended." This is how it is listed on English-language sources such as Allmusic and Billboard. Erick (talk) 17:26, 24 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: page moved per WP:CAPS, WP:UE, and the citations given in response Future Perfect at Sunrise's note. -- JHunterJ (talk) 13:20, 15 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Con los años que me quedan → Con Los Años Que Me Quedan – Per WP:CAPS and WP:UE, the guidelines for a capitalization of a foreign-language work is to use capitalization found in most English-language sources. Erick (talk) 05:43, 2 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose move, unless evidence is offered that the capitalized version is in fact conventional in English. If not, the guideline actually says we should stick with the proper orthography appropriate to the source language, i.e. no caps. As is also the general practice in most careful publications and style guides. Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:39, 2 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Allmusic has it written as "Con Los Años Que Me Quedan". Source and so does Billboard Source. I don't see where it says we should stick to proper orthography except for expressions not written in English. It says at WP:CAPS: "If the article is about a work in a foreign language (such as a book or other written work, movie, album, or song), using the capitalization found in most English language reliable sources is recommended." Then there's consistency. The articles for the other singles (such as Mi Tierra (song) and Mi Buen Amor) for the parent album are not using Spanish capitalizion, so it doesn't make sense to have this the only article using Spanish capitalization. Another problem that this go would against WP:V , using Allmusic as an example again, this is how it is written on most reliable English-language sources. Erick (talk) 15:02, 2 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There was a recent similar move discussion at Talk:Como Ama una Mujer. As I noted there, using native capitalisation in non-English titles is supported by WikiProject Classical music guidelines (WP:CAPM: "For titles in their original foreign language, the style used is 'sentence capitalization'. That is, the title is capitalized as it would be in a sentence in that language.") This is congruent with WP:CAPS: Capitalization of expressions borrowed from other languages. However, that the song is by an American recording artist, that most of the article's sources (and the single cover) use "Con Los Años Que Me Quedan", and that the articles on the album and other singles use English capitalisation should also be considered. — AjaxSmack 17:06, 2 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment No particular opinion on this, but doing songs randomly according to "capitalization in English sources" ad hoc for each song is going to be a mess. A serious English source, dictionary of songs, history of Mambo, whatever, will use a consistent MOS, and probably for Spanish songs a MOS that looks like es:Categoría:Canciones en español. Rather than doing it on an adhoc basis there should be a RfC and decide on a sensible MOS for Spanish songs and stick to it. (Personally I'd come down on the sentence-case style used in better sources, not only is Category:Spanish-language songs a mess but those capitalized song names are sometimes ambiguous as to whether a personal or place name is intended or just a common noun). In ictu oculi (talk) 04:29, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- But what would a "Spanish song" be? What about songs with Spanish titles but English lyrics? (e.g, "La Isla Bonita") English titles with Spanish lyrics? ("The Ketchup Song") Either with bilingual lyrics? ("Addicted to You") Bilingual titles? ("El Ultimo Adios (The Last Goodbye)") Instrumentals with Spanish titles? ("España Cañí") Spanish songs issued on albums of English speakers with all other songs being English-language songs? ("Sola Otra Vez" from Falling into You) Songs where the title language is ambiguous? ("No, no, no") Sometimes guideline ambiguity isn't so bad. — AjaxSmack 16:25, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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GA Review

Passed.

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Con Los Años Que Me Quedan/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 09:15, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

It is reasonably well written.
a. (prose, spelling, and grammar):

b. (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a. (reference section):

b. (citations to reliable sources):

c. (OR):

d. (copyvio and plagiarism):
It is broad in its coverage.
a. (major aspects):

b. (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
a. (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales):

b. (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall:
Pass/fail:

(Criteria marked are unassessed)

I will get on with this right away! --K. Peake 09:15, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox and lead

Crescent Moon Studios in Miami, Florida → Crescent Moon, Miami, Florida in the infobox
Pipe Emilio Estefan Jr. to Emilio Estefan
"It was written by" → "The song was written by"
Anglo release of the version is not sourced
"It was released as" → "The song was released as"
Add what critics praised about the song
"Commercially, it topped" → "Commercially, the song topped"
Mention the ceremony for Pop Song of the Year

Background and composition

First para looks good!
Remove comma before Emilio Estefan
Shouldn't you mention the instrumentation here per the sources used in reception?
"the lyrics, she chants:" → "the lyrics, Estefan chants:" and cut down the amount of this quoted per WP:OVERQUOTE
Ditto for the translation quote, however both should have punctuation inside quote marks per MOS:QUOTE

Critical reception and accolades

"filmic number", and the" → "filmic number" and the"
Remove wikilink and re-introduction on Mi Tierra
End the lovely melodies quote
Pipe ballads to Sentimental ballad
"called it "another" → "called the song "another" and re-invoke the ref for this sentence
Pipe acoustic to Acoustic music on the direct mention instead
"describe as a pop hit."" → "describe as a pop hit"." per MOS:QUOTE
"gave it three out of five," → "gave the song three out of five,"
Remove pipe on Latin
"and emotional shading."" → "and emotional shading"."
Last para looks good!

Promotion and commercial performance

"Its accompanying music video directed" → "An accompanying music video was directed"
Pipe Billboard Music Video Awards to Billboard Music Awards
"her fourteenth studio album Brazil305 (2020) and" → "Estefan's 14th studio album Brazil305 (2020), and" per MOS:NUM
Remove pipe on Billboard
"in the US," → "in the United States,"

Formats and track listings

Good

Charts

Good

Personnel

Make this section the one after track listings
Add a space before guitar

References

Copyvio score looks strong at 23.1%!!!
Pipe Epic to Epic Records on ref 1 instead of ref 21
Pipe Penguin Random House Group to Penguin Random House on ref 9
Ref 11 is missing an author and remove wikilink on AllMusic
Wikilink Telemetro on ref 26
WP:OVERLINK of AllMusic on ref 27

Final comments and verdict

On hold until all of the issues are fixed! --K. Peake 09:58, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I will get to work on this from next week as I'm feeling burned out from Wikipedia. Erick (talk) 17:04, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Kyle Peake Hey Kyle, thanks for your patience. I think I got everything. Erick (talk) 02:00, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Magiciandude: It is good you appreciate that, however the comma needs to be removed before Emilio Estefan, use the surname Estefan at the chants part and pipe Epic to Epic Records on the first instance instead. --K. Peake 09:33, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Magiciandude: The Epic link is still the wrong way around and you need to fix the parameter issue. --K. Peake 11:37, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Argh, I can't believe I missed it again. Did I get it this time? Erick (talk) 20:26, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
✓ Pass now, you nailed the link at last! --K. Peake 07:37, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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