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Canada

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Be aware that just because it has not aired in America it does not mean the article is censored till it airs in America, Wikipedia works on original dates, not original American dates. The correct original airdate for this episode is/will be the 25th, a plot will also be perfectly acceptable. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 20:02, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Could we perhaps have both original Canadian and U.S. airdates in the infobox? I know its noted at the bottom of the article reflecting that this aired on Global a day ahead of NBC, but I'd like to be completely technical. --Cooleyez229 09:07, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
What about British airdates then? Australian and maybe even Asia airdates.. that is why, because there's not enough room to list every worldwide airdate. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 09:14, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I got your point the first time around. How about this suggestion: indicate in the infobox that it debuted on Global and not NBC, or add a '(see trivia)' underneath the date. --Cooleyez229 09:59, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
If you're worried about people changing it then add a hidden comment, i.e. <!-- comment --> thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 10:01, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I personally think it's wrong to write this article hours before the episode airs in America. How can anyone in this country verify this infomation?dposse 23:18, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
How could anyone in Britain verify it when it airs in America? No offence, but that question is pretty moot. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 23:22, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Dposse, a question: if the roles were reversed, and it aired first in the U.S. - would you accept waiting a day? For that matter, what should be done about the SG-1 episodes that are currently airing in the UK? Where would we draw the line? --Ckatzchatspy 23:25, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
If we waited till every other country caught up then we'd never get any where, also it's very easily verifiable, you don't need to watch the episode to verify, find a secondary source on the internet that reviewed the episode :-)! thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 23:28, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Out of all this, now do you see why I went for the dual original North American airdates? Because I knew last night that there would be some people out there who would keep reverting the infobox back-and-forth. Apparently even putting the hidden comment code in there didn't stop it from being edited back and forth either. MMMkay? --Cooleyez229 01:38, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
i disagree with adding dual dates. A few months from now (or probably only a few weeks) people will stop reverting it back-and-forth. There's no reason to put dual dates there just for the sake of these few days. But i do like the idea of adding it to the trivia listZ3u2 03:41, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Now they're trying to add dual air dates to the SG-1/Atlantis LOEs, :-\. Matthew 23:39, 17 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Use of "HRG"

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I believe that the use of "HRG" should either be replaced with "Mr. Bennet" or explained in the article, because as a regular watcher of the series I did not know to whom it referred (although I could guess), and I only figured it out after another Wikipedia search.

I spent the better part of an hour going through the original plot summary and changed all instances of 'HRG' to either 'Mr. Bennet' or simply 'Bennet'. It'd have taken me a bit quicker, but I also figured I'd solidify the plot section as well. --Cooleyez229 09:59, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
If you have Microsoft Word, you can use the "Find and Replace" feature to replace "HRG" with "Mr. Bennet." 24.83.211.180 19:18, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I also could've just copy/pasted the word 'Bennet' and done it in Notepad, but with the way the plot summary was just so thrown together, I figured I'd give it a heavy bit of polishing. --Cooleyez229 01:41, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Goof?

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I'm not sure if there's a reason or not, but both the Haitian and Claire managed to open the back door even though it was melted off by Ted Sprague. The sound of the handle mechanism is particularly noticeable when the Haitian enters to free Mrs. Bennet and Claire. 124.183.28.251 11:41, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, it is a goof. And then Thompson does the same thing a minute later. --Cooleyez229 01:28, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Trivia

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An interesting piece of trivia to add to this article would be an English translation of the Japanese Mr. Bennet thought that was picked up my Matt. It had no onscreen translation. Anybody know what he said? It might even be important. --Paddyffrench 13:08, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that it's an interesting addition to the trivia list. But I doubt it's important. Maybe something like: "Think in Japanese. He can read my thoughts but he can't understand them." On the other hand, why do that and start trusting Parkman at the last minute? -- Michiel 16:22, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Parkman wanted answers, he didn't want to hurt anyone, so like Bennet said, Parkman was the only one he could trust. It was something that happened in the moment. I hope we can get a Japanese speaker to translate those words. Siyavash 16:45, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Original airdate

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If i may propose a compromise, why don't be put the airdates for Canada and America on the "Original airdate" line in the infobox? dposse 21:37, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Because there can be only one original air date. Keep in mind that the 25th is not a Canadian air date, since some of Canada didn't see it until the 26th. --Kmsiever 22:00, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It's Canadian none the less, we show programmes over here on different days for separate regions, none the less the first date is still the original. Secondly, if we put the US, then why not UK? thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 22:03, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
(after edit conflict)Well, my proposal is similar to what happens with video games. We put the original airdate of each country, just like we do for the release date of video games here on wikipedia. It's a compromise that pleases everyone, doesn't it? dposse 22:04, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
People don't seem to realise there are indeed more countries then UK, US, CAN, JAP and China. We can't feasibly fit every one in, and we shouldn't. We also shouldn't add America to please them, that's systemic bias, to the max. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 22:16, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Not really - what happens when airdate #3 comes along? 4? 10? Where is the cut-off point? First airing in a nation, or by system? Cable, DSS, OTA - are each "unique"? (I know this is splitting hairs, but it illustrates why it is a lot more practical to just say "only one".) A few weeks from now, the rush to be first, or to "fix" the listing, will die down, and the box will stabilize. --Ckatzchatspy 22:12, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Let's think of it this way: it is an NBC program, hence released by a North American broadcaster. It airs a day ahead of time by Global, another North American broadcaster. So instead of posting original airdates for each and every single country, why not just put both original English-language North American debut airdates on there? --Cooleyez229 22:34, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I believe that is exactly what i was proposing, Cooleyez229. I don't see what is unreasonable about doing it. dposse 22:40, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Jebus. wiktionary:Originality, because the American *isn't* an original. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 22:42, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
What about Mexico? Greenland? They might have English-language broadcasts. Seriously, though, it's a global market for entertainment. The first airdate (or "release") was the 25th, and the only reason to change it is to accomodate people who saw it on the 26th and think "oh, gosh, that date's wrong - I'd better fix it". More to the point, if the dates were reversed and it had aired in Canada a day later, do you honestly think the debate would have gone this far? --Ckatzchatspy 22:44, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It's just ridiculous and illogical to want to put two dates under original air date, that's really not what original means. Some people seem to think US is the only country in the world.
Kmsiever, Global TV is a Canada's nationa network? It should be able to be viewed national wide, which part of Canada doesn't? Also, I believe satalitte tv in US and some northern part of US can see Global TV as well? So it is incorrect for dposse to say there's no way for people in US to verify the content, thus changes should not be allowed (which makes me really feel like to say: US is not the only country in the world)Z3u2 23:46, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Also, although it may be IP restricted, but you can watch the full episode the on global's website after it has aired. Z3u2 23:48, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I think I know what the problem is here.Although I do believe it would be biased to post the american airdates for the show,it is rather rare for a program originating in one country to be broadcast in another ahead of the original country, and perhaps that is why some would say the US should have the airdate put on,because they are the country of origin for the show.Rodrigue 23:55, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you Rodrigue, this is what I've been trying to point out. That's why I say, be technical, post both airdates. --Cooleyez229 01:24, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I would say that since this is a US-made show, the US airdate should be included. In the event that another country airs the episode first, that should also be included. Likewise, if a French-made program normally airs first in France, but for a couple of episodes, Belgium airs it first, then both the French and the Belgian airdates should be included. If the ultimate concensus is that only the very first airing should be included in the infobox, then at the very least, I believe a footnote explaining the inconsistency should be required... explaining, not just a link to a TV Guide-type page that disappears a day later. --ΨΦorg 02:22, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: The notion that it is rare or unusual for a show to air prior to its "native" broadcaster is somewhat out-of-date in this era of international sales. In fact, it actually happens a lot more frequently than you might think. In North America, Canadian broadcasters purchase U.S. programming to fill out their schedules. Because of the widespread availability of U.S. channels, Canadian regulations allow the local broadcaster to "overlap" the American feed. If Global is carrying Heroes, for example, it can replace the NBC affiliate and thus ensure Canadian viewers see Canadian commercials. This only applies for simultaneous broadcasts, so the Canadian network will usually mirror the U.S. broadcast. However, as they're not tied to any one U.S. network, they often end up with a mix of programming, and a channel or network's evening lineup could easily feature shows from ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX and the CW. Sometimes, when the U.S. networks are going head to head, that creates an overlap for the Canadian screening, and thus a shuffle is required. One example is the Canadian presentation of Studio 60, which has been airing a day ahead of its NBC time slot for most of this season. Similarly, Stargate Atlantis has aired on pay channels in Canada months before it did on Sci-Fi America. Overseas, Stargate SG-1 is currently airing the last few episodes of Season 10 in Britain, and will actually finish its run overseas well before Sci-Fi airs the "final ten" in America. --Ckatzchatspy 05:23, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

OK, if we leave it at one date, then it might be a good idea to indicate the country and/or network it aired in/on originally. --Cooleyez229 06:42, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
1. I can understand the argument of displaying the american date for an american show. But putting two dates in the box of "original air date" is simply confusing, a trivia is much better than a footnote, don't u think?
2. In addition to Ckatz's comment, for movies, it is very common for american films to be released in asia countries prior to its first release in US. Although they have the same release date, because of the timezone diff (typically 12+ hours) and because many asian movie theatres would have it's first show at 0000 hour (midnight) of the date, as opposed to North American style of first move of the day to be on/around noon (as far as i know), it is in fact shown to the asian audiences at least a full 24 hours ahead of north american audiences.
3. Correct me if i'm wrong, NBC does not own the tv series heroes, they only bought the first broadcast right among all US national television networks. The same as Global TV bought the right to broadcast in Canada, and STAR World bought the right to broadcast in Asia? Since NBC's broadcast contract is only limited to US, and we are discussing the first original airdate worldwide, I still think a trivia is sufficient to solve the issue.
Z3u2 06:51, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]


What's the big fuss about airdates about? I know what day and time new episodes show for where I am, the original airdate listing here would be the first time it is shown anywhere. Months and years from know trivia about this-and-that network shifting it around for whatever reason is pretty pointless as well.

Claude getting shot

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During the part where Claude was shot on the bridge at least two times before he vanished, would his blood still have remained invisible even if it dropped onto the walkway? our would it remain invisible until he stopped his power. He obviously did not fall over the bridge like intended, running would have made sounds so what other option would he have?Temari of Wind13 18:17, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe he was still hanging there. Michiel 14:11, 4 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Missing Hana

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Possible Trivia entry -

In the previous episode (as it was originally broadcast) Hana can be seen in the Bennett home with Matt and Ted, but she is neither seen, nor is his disappearance mentioned. Presumably she proved to be unavailable for filming, or perhaps she was just forgotten about by the scriptwriter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tobeyjaggle (talk • contribs) 15:26, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Our Father

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Should we mention yet that this episode is going to be visited again in Season 3's Our Father, (well part of it anyway, the part where Claire is given to Bennet) or should we wait until the episode actually airs?194.81.189.20 (talk) 13:23, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Best to wait until the season actually airs. You never know what might change between now and then. ~Auzemandius {talk/contrib} 14:05, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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