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More reliable sources to verify information never hurts, does it? GiantSnowman 21:36, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Tagging a short article which has nine references from seven reliable sources with "This article needs additional citations for verification" is somewhat exaggerated, don't you think? The lede does not need references as it summarizes the information in the article. The one sentence you tagged with "citation required" is properly referenced at the end of the paragraph. The person who tagged it initially only did so because we had an edit conflict in another article and he or she probably wanted to get back at me. Of course, more sources won't hurt, but as it stands it is properly referenced. - DonCalo (talk) 21:48, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I didn't tag anything with "citation required", I simply restored that edit edit that you rollbacked (even though it wasn't nearly vandalism...) as I though it was correct. I'll accept that the lede doesn't require citing, but other information does, of course, as parts remain unreferenced. Also, why do insist on wikilink to Cosimo Commisso, a disambiguation page that links to a soccer player as well as back here? It serves no purpose whatsoever. GiantSnowman 21:58, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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I wanted to read the articles on the living persons named in this article who are claimed to be leaders in this organized crime group north of Toronto, but the link is broken so I am removing it... if I can. Other than discussing the persons who have been arrested and convicted of crimes, the rest of the mentions are nothing more than fictional gossip. If these named persons are to be touted as living Organized Crime figures, there must be proof, not speculation. Even Italian Authorities claims are unfounded or these persons would be convicted and serving a prison sentence. But I am new to wiki, so I do not want to take too much out, except as mentioned before. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PatrickGSB (talk • contribs) 13:54, 4 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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@A.S. Brown: I noticed your edit at Crime in Toronto that used Schneider in saying Rocco and Cosimo's father is Girolomo, but here sources say it was Francesco. I know the names of the men in this family can get hairy because they often repeat the given names between generations. Thoughts? Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 19:28, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Vaselineeeeeeee:, thank you for bringing this to my attention. Well Schneider says Giromolo, and I just checked The Encyclopedia of Canadian Organized Crime: From Captain Kidd to Mom Boucher by Peter Edwards and Michel Auger for more info. Edwards and Auger say that the pater familias of the Commisso family was Girolomo Commissio, who was murdered in 1948, inspiring his sons to launch a decades long bloodfeud that finally ended in 1982 when the last of the men responsible for their father's murder was killed. And a further bit of sleuthing yields the 2009 book La 'Ndrangheta by Stéphane Quéré, which also says that Commissso father was Girolomo. Cecil Kirby in his 1986 autobiography Mafia Enforcer says that the father of his former employers was Girolomo Commisso-granted Kirby is not always reliable, but I can't see why he would lie about that. I cannot read Italian, but Google brought up the 2010 book Fratelli di sangue by Nicola Gratteri and Antonio Nicaso, which has a passage that thanks to Google translate says that Giromolo Commisso was the father. However, Gratteri and Nicaso give the date of his murder as 22 August 1947 (so we have another muddle that needs to be sorted out?)
As far I can tell, the claim that the Commisso pater familias was named Francesco comes from an article from 2005 in The National Post by Adrian Humphreys. Humphreys talks like the Commisso father was still alive in 1975, which is a bit confusing. Humphreys is generally a RS, but my late father used to always warn me about journalists, namely journalists are contract writers who are paid only 2 cents per word and have a tight deadlines to meet. Now if a journalist covers something for a long period of time, they can build up expertise on a subject, but if they are writing something about new, they will probably mess it up because they don't know enough about the subject and because they are not paid enough to learn about the said subject. Now my late father had bizarre views on certain subjects, but on this, he was right. Given the article is from 2005 that must be one of Humphreys's first articles on the subject, and so the possibility of him getting confused was quite real, especially given he had a deadline to meet. The Francesco Commisso mentioned here appears to be an uncle of the three Commisso brothers who came to Canada in 1961 and who may still been alive as of 2019. The 2019 article by Edwards mentions an elderly 'Ndranghetisti named Francesco Commisso who used to live in Toronto who may be an cousin or might be their uncle. You're right about it sometimes get confusing because they keep using the same Christian names. It appears that Humphreys got the uncle and father mixed up. This is speculation on my part, but Francesco Commisso may have helped to raise the three Commisso boys after their father was killed in either 1947 or 1948-that might be the source of Humphreys's confusion. Given that we have four and a half RSs saying the father's Christian name was Girolomo, my view is that we should go with Girolomo. Thank you for all your help and I hope all is well. Best wishes and cheeers! --A.S. Brown (talk) 07:08, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@A.S. Brown: Thank you, that sounds like a very good analysis, and I think you're right. Would you mind updating this article with the sources you mentioned when you get a chance? Thanks, and stay well! Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 16:27, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Vaselineeeeeeee: Done! I just checked a little bit more; Kirby for whatever it may be worth says that Francesco Commisso is a cousin of the three Commisso brothers, and it appears that the same Francesco Commisso living in Siderno in the 1970s is the same one who later lived in Toronto. It is a bit of tangle because Francesco is such a common Italian first name, but at least that is what I have been able to find out. I hope all is well. Best wishes and cheers! --A.S. Brown (talk) 05:14, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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