Talk:Coleus amboinicus

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Coleus amboinicus

This page redirects from Coleus amboinicus which redirects from Torbangun. But how similar are they? The papers discussing Coleus ambonicus as a galactogogue, state it has been used in Indonesia for centuries, which sounds like it conflicts with Plectranthus ambonics originating in Africa. +|||||||||||||||||||||||||+ (talk) 12:44, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This is a very good question! I also got here by looking for "Coleus amboinicus Lour.", but in the info box it says this is a synonym of Plectranthus amboinicus. I identified this independently at the MMPND. On that database, directly looking up "Coleus" goes to the "Plectranthus" page. Angryredplanet (talk) 01:38, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Literature

Moving this literature list from the article. Much of the literature is redundant with references used, so is archived here. --Zefr (talk) 15:33, 24 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Some published literature on the plant includes:

African Flowering Plants Database - Base de Donnees des Plantes a Fleurs D'Afrique (AFPD), 2008
Aldén, B., S. Ryman & M. Hjertson, 2009, Våra kulturväxters namn - ursprung och användning, Formas, Stockholm (Handbook on Swedish cultivated and utility plants, their names and origin)
Balick, M. J., M. Nee & D. E. Atha, 2000, 'Checklist of the vascular plants of Belize, Mem. New York Bot. Gard. 85: i–ix, 1–246
Brako, L., A.Y. Rossman & D.F. Farr, 1995, Scientific and Common Names of 7,000 Vascular Plants in the United States
CONABIO, 2009, Catálogo taxonómico de especies de México, 1. in Ca. nat. México. CONABIO, Mexico City
Davidse, G., M. Sousa Sánchez, S. Knapp & F. Chiang Cabrera, ed, 2012, 'Rubiaceae a Verbenaceae', Fl. Mesoamer. 4(2): in publication
Dyer, R. A., et al., eds, 1963–', Flora of southern Africa
Erhardt, W., et al., 2008, Der große Zander: Enzyklopädie der Pflanzennamen
Gibbs Russell, G. E., W. G. Welman, E. Reitief, K. L. Immelman, G. Germishuizen, B. J. Pienaar, M. v. Wyk & A. Nicholas, 1987, 'List of species of southern African plants', Mem. Bot. Surv. S. Africa, 2(1–2): 1–152(pt. 1), 1–270(pt. 2)
Hanelt, P., ed, 2001, Mansfeld's encyclopedia of agricultural and horticultural crops, Volumes 1-6
Hedge, I. C., R. A. Clement, A. J. Paton & P. B. Phillipson, 1998, 'Labiatae', Fl. Madagasc, 175: 1–293
Hokche, O., P. E. Berry & O. Huber, 2008, Nuev. Cat. Fl. Vas. Venezuela 1–860. Fundación Instituto Botánico de Venezuela, Caracas, Venezuela
Huxley, A., ed, 1992, The new Royal Horticultural Society dictionary of gardening
Markle, G. M., et al., eds, 1998, Food and feed crops of the United States, 2nd Ed.
McGuffin, M., J. T. Kartesz, A. Y. Leung, & A. O. Tucker, 2000, Herbs of commerce, 2nd Ed.
Molina Rosito, A., 1975, Enumeración de las plantas de Honduras, Ceiba 19(1): 1–118
Orrell, T., Custodian, 2012, ITIS Regional: The Integrated Taxonomic Information System (version Apr 2011), in: F. Bisby et al., ed,Species 2000 & ITIS Catalogue of Life, 25 June 2012, digital resource at www.catalogueoflife.org/col/. species 2000, Reading, England
Padua, L. S. de, et al., eds, 1999, 'Medicinal and poisonous plants 1', in I. Faridah Hanum & L. J. G. van der Maesen, eds, Plant Resources of South-East Asia (PROSEA), 12(1):407
The PLANTS Database, 2000
Porcher, M. H., et al., Searchable World Wide Web Multilingual Multiscript Plant Name Database (MMPND)
Rehm, S., 1994, Multilingual dictionary of agronomic plants
Suddee, S., et al., 2004, 'A taxonomic revision of tribe Ocimeae Dumort. (Lamiaceae) in continental South East Asia II. Plectranthinae', Kew Bull. 59:391–393.
Turrill, W. B., et al., eds, 1952–, Flora of Tropical East Africa

Traditional medicine

Claiming "none of which has been confirmed by scientific evidence" is misleading, you either allow the clarification, which does add relevant knowledge, or you also rephrase and perhaps say "however these specific claims have not be subject to human clinical trials, aside from...". Just stop being defensive and territorial about the fact that the section does need expanding to reflect the truth, and the whole truth with regard to the plant's confirmed utility and how that correlates with the traditional empirical evidence. Dsmatthews (talk) 04:35, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This is animal research and is not a sufficient source to indicate any biological effects. When referring to medicinal properties, stronger evidence is needed per WP:MEDRS. Please stop edit warring on this (note WP:3RR) and discuss here per WP:BRD. The editor making a change in the article - you - has the burden of proof to supply a source indicating "properties" apply to the in vivo condition, especially in humans, i.e., no change applies until there is WP:CON. --Zefr (talk) 04:53, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Section edited to not be misleading either way, as per above offered compromise. If you can prove that this edit is less informative then I will accept the revision, but so far I have not seen this, please do not ignore that actual point I have made about the problem with the previous wording, which exhibits a misleading bias.Dsmatthews (talk) 05:04, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ok I've done my best to work with Zefr to do things their way while adding to the value of the article, removing a misleading phrase, and repairing their unnecessarily destructive editing style. The section should now be clear in it's meaning, People used the plant traditionally, recent animal studies have shown that some of the chemicals in it are effective, but the same research is (currently?) lacking in humans. I'll keep an eye out for any clinical trials covering the plants phytochemical constituents, and add the data when it becomes available. If somebody hasn't already done it ;-)Dsmatthews (talk) 05:58, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I have found a reference which lists Plectranthus amboinicus (as Coleus amboinicus) as an effective galactagogue^[1], superior to fenugreek. Sorry about layout, I am kind of new at the details here. I was thinking to add it here under a subcat "Research" but in this article, it exists in a combined category "Traditional medicine and research". I did not edit the article since I have not read the full ref, and I am trying to learn the intricicies if wp process (as in WP:BRD). I guess this is a statement of intent, the research I have read (that was not trying to disprove anything, or was not just a survey of practicing physicians), have been generally positive, but I fully support the nominal disclaimers about efficacy, and of course side effects. Angryredplanet (talk) 04:41, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

For human studies, Phytotherapy Research is a weak journal for publishing on a medical topic. The use of fenugreek to enhance lactation is certainly a fringe therapy in conventional medicine, and rare even in traditional medicine. Because it's a review in a journal with a passable impact factor of 3.1, I inserted a comment, but reverted my edit because the abstract does not contain enough information about P. amboinicus, and the full article requires a subscription. --Zefr (talk) 16:07, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Effectiveness of fenugreek as a galactagogue: A network meta-analysis". Phytotherapy Research (November). 2017. doi:10.1002/ptr.5972. PMID 29193352. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |authors= ignored (help)

Names in other languages

Unnecessary for the English encyclopedia. Moved here for discussion or archiving. --Zefr (talk) 06:12, 13 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sanskrit: Karpuravalli (कर्पूरवल्ली), Sugandhavalakam
Hindi: Patharchur (पत्थरचूर), Patta ajwain (पत्ता अजवाइन)
Kannada: Doddapathre (ದೊಡ್ಡಪತ್ರೆ), Karpurahalli, Dodda pathre soppu, Karpooravalli
Telugu: Sugandhavalkam (కర్పూరవల్లీ), Karpooravalli, karuvaeru, vamu aaku
Tamil: Omavalli, Karpuravalli (கற்பூரவல்லீ), Muttainari^[1]
Marathi: Pathurchur (पत्थरचूर)
Malayalam (മലയാളം:): Panikkurkka, Kanjikkoorkka, Karppooravally, Njavara. See:പനിക്കൂർക്ക
Sinhala: Kapparawalliya.^[2]
Karhada: Sykkilo
Chinese: Dàoshǒuxiāng/到手香 or zuǒshǒuxiāng/左手香 (Taiwan^[3])
Thai: Huu Seua (หูเสือ), lit. Tiger ears (for the leaf shape)
Trinidad & Tobago: Big Thyme
Puerto Rico: Orégano brujo
Indonesia at North Sumatera province (tobanese): Bangun-bangun / Torbangun

References

^ Cuban Oregano, Flowers of India, http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Cuban%20Oregano.html
^ Botanical Names → Sinhala names උද්භිද නම් → සිංහල නම්, http://dh-web.org/bot2sinhala.html
^ "台北植物園資訊網--植物資料庫--植物詳細資料". Taipei Botanical Garden (in Chinese). Retrieved 2 July 2017.

Meat Salad?

OK, I am a foodie, and a chemist (both novice, but with some edu and exp...), but I am taking a small objection to the term "meat salad" used in the lede. A google search for the term right now yields a horrendous (to me) torrent of literal meat salads, and knowing something about asian quisines, I know deep down that these cannot be the same thing (without evidence to the contrary). A quick search turns up plenty of results for "Thai Chicken Salad" or "Thai Beef Salad", which should be somewhat representative, but nothing in these results is remotely like what comes up for "meat salad".

I want to clarify this without changing the content. I am... call me a clarity warrior. In that vein, I am replacing the term "meat salad" with "salad with meat". I think this may be a case of either a translation gone awry, or a term that has been appropriated by vloggers. If anyone objects, please state your reasons here, or get reverted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Angryredplanet (talk • contribs) 04:04, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

[1] "Effectiveness of fenugreek as a galactagogue: A network meta-analysis". Phytotherapy Research (November). 2017. doi:10.1002/ptr.5972. PMID 29193352. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |authors= ignored (help)

[2] Cuban Oregano, Flowers of India, http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Cuban%20Oregano.html

[3] Botanical Names → Sinhala names උද්භිද නම් → සිංහල නම්, http://dh-web.org/bot2sinhala.html

[tpbg-4] "台北植物園資訊網--植物資料庫--植物詳細資料". Taipei Botanical Garden (in Chinese). Retrieved 2 July 2017.

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