Talk:Coldest Winter (song)

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Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
November 22, 2018	Articles for deletion	No consensus
April 29, 2021	Articles for deletion	Kept
September 22, 2021	Good article nominee	Listed
December 31, 2021	Good topic candidate	Promoted
Current status: Good article

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Contains original research, does not meet WP:NSONG, did not chart. Content can be incorporated into 808s & Heartbreak article, where its hardly mentioned. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.26.97.61 (talk) 18:40, 31 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Merger proposal

I propose to merge "Coldest Winter (song) " into 808s & Heartbreak. I think that the content in the "Coldest Winter" article can easily be included on 808s & Hertbreak, and the 808s & Hertbreak article is of a reasonable size that the merging of "Coldest Winter" will not cause many problems as far as article size is concerned. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 18:45, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Dan56 (talk) 22:37, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Coldest Winter (song)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Zmbro (talk · contribs) 13:39, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm bored, let's do this. – zmbro _(talk) 13:39, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()

3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()

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Infobox and lead

I've gone ahead and made a few changes myself
Rest looks solid

Background and recording

"after persuasion from Malik Yusef" can we change it to just Yusef?

That's not his real surname, so the current version is preferable. --K. Peake 15:49, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Studios are listed here so why aren't they in the infobox?

Done must have missed this by accident --K. Peake 15:49, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Composition and lyrics

Does Apple Music count as a source for genres?

It is the notes that are being used as a source, not the genre sidebar, so yes this is reliable. --K. Peake 15:51, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, I'll have to keep that in mind. – zmbro _(talk) 19:17, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Release and reception

Section looks good

Music video

"written by Elderkin and he called it" feels like a run-on sentence; I'd reword.

Done split into two sentences --K. Peake 16:00, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"was featured more in it before parts were taken out" reads odd. There's a better word that could be used here, right?

Done with changes --K. Peake 16:00, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"said the mix is "gloomier and more foreboding" than the song" → "said the mix is "gloomier and more foreboding" than the original mix"

Done with a change --K. Peake 16:00, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"to the "dark" song" can we use a synonym for dark? So we're not directly quoting one word
"Continuing his review, Dombal" → "Furthermore, he"

Done for the above --K. Peake 16:00, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"She explained, depicting West's "own mug" being replaced with "a cleavage-baring, Leona Lewis look-a-like in the spooky, surreal vid" as a smart strategy from him" this whole sentence should be rephrased to something like " She felt that depicting West's "own mug" being replaced with "a cleavage-baring, Leona Lewis look-a-like in the spooky, surreal vid" was a smart strategy from him"

Done with changes --K. Peake 16:00, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Live performances and other usage

"campaign by performing the song" → "campaign with a performance of "Coldest Winter"."

Done --K. Peake 16:17, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Why does this whole section use his first name? This can easily be fixed just by changing instances of "Donda" to "his mother"

MOS:SAMESURNAME, also Donda is introduced as his mother a few sections back so it would read awkwardly to all of a sudden use this instead. --K. Peake 16:17, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"mock snow fell down" the second instance of "fell down". I'd use a synonym

Done --K. Peake 16:17, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Credits and personnel

Looks good

References

Ref 3 doesn't need a location

This location is mentioned by the source, so why remove? --K. Peake 16:17, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I thought Genius was unreliable?

WP:RSP writes against song lyrics, annotations and descriptions, none of which are used here. --K. Peake 16:17, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm I guess it's good then. – zmbro _(talk) 19:17, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Check for overlinking (see it on ref 10)

Done must have missed that --K. Peake 16:17, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Is Mind Equals Blown reliable?

The website has a specific category for editorials, in which the article cited is included; this is clearly separated from other content to be clear about pieces that are usable as legitimate sources. --K. Peake 16:55, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good. – zmbro _(talk) 19:17, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What is One Country and is it reliable?

OneCountry delivers news on numerous topics, including pop culture and country music, with a team of various editors. The site is also used for prizes, but notice there is a separate domain for the news, showing the two are distinguishable. --K. Peake 16:17, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good. – zmbro _(talk) 19:17, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Final thoughts

Overall well done. Once these are resolved, it should be a GA in no time. Hope you're doing well man! – zmbro _(talk) 14:17, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Zmbro I have now covered everything, do you have any concerns still? --K. Peake 16:55, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nope. ✓ Pass – zmbro _(talk) 19:18, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

TFF's use in live performances

Curt has commented on it in several interviews so it should be mentioned. Since Kanye did this track, Tears for Fears have used a bit of his track as an intro to playing "Memories Fade" live. Jules TH 16 (talk) 16:18, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]