Talk:Coker v. Georgia

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Other proportionality arguments.

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Like other arguments based on proportionality, the argument against execution for rape can be justified by an appeal to perverse incentive, in that a criminal who believes that he or she will be executed for a rape would have an incentive to murder their victim (which would not make the punishment any worse) rather than allow the victim to live, since the victim's testimony increases their chance of being arrested and convicted.

I don't disagree with this statement. However, I don't think it belongs in a discussion of the Court's decision. The Court's proportionality analysis has to have some relationship to what is "cruel and unusual." The Court does not make law based on philosophical argument; rather, it defines the outer boundaries of legislative power with reference to a written constitution, in this case the text of the Eighth Amendment. It cannot incorporate arguments, such as this philosophical argument, that have too attenuated a connection to that text.

I have added this text to the capital punishment debate article. ---Axios023 04:47, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, that reasoning was mentioned in Kennedy v. Louisiana, and doesn't seem to be dicta. In determining the reach of the Eighth Amendment, I think the court has adopted the approach that it is appropriate to consider, among other things, the classical punishment rationales of deterrence, incapacitation, rehabilitation, and retribution. This argument is relevant under deterrence (of a more serious crime), though if this argument wasn't mentioned in the opinion or commentary, I agree its inclusion is inappropriate.24.5.194.110 (talk) 03:56, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Part of what the court will consider in the eighth amendment context as relates to the death penalty is how society generally views the death penalty. The most distinguishing case marking the beginning of the shift of public sentiment in death penalty jurisprudence is Furman v. Georgia, 408 U.S. 238 (1972) which effectively vacated the death penalty in two rape cases and one murder cases, and was somewhat of a major political issue at the time, such that Coker and later cases are certainly no surprise. 72.210.102.55 (talk) 15:36, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Relevance of 'Solid South' reference

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"(At that time, the states of the former Confederacy had a Democratic Party block in Congress known as the Solid South that was very powerful; those states had disenfranchised most black residents at the turn of the century and continued to exclude them from politics.)"

While I can see that it implies some context, the specific relevance to the case is not at all clear. I've therefore cut it out. Barnabypage (talk) 00:02, 31 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]