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A fact from Coat of arms of the Football Association appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 29 October 2021 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the lions supporting the coat of arms of the Football Association are half-blue and half-white in imitation of the blue shorts and white shirts worn by the national teams?

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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 23:50, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Coat of arms of the Football Association

... that the lions supporting the coat of arms of the Football Association (pictured) are half-blue and half-white in imitation of the blue shorts and white shirts worn by the national teams? " The supporters are: On each side a lion party per fess argent and azure [heraldry speak for "divided in half horizontally and coloured silver (ie. white) over blue"] charged on the shoulder with a Tudor rose and with the interior hindfoot resting on a football proper. Essentially these are two lions in the colours of the England kit." from page 39 of: Phillips, David Llewelyn (Spring 2015). "Badges and 'Crests':The Twentieth-century Relationship Between Football and Heraldry" (PDF). The Coat of Arms, the Journal of the Heraldry Society. XI part 1 (229): 35–50.
- ALT1:... that despite being awarded a full heraldric achievement (pictured) in 1979 there is no evidence the Football Association has ever used it? "On 9 January 1979 the Football Association received a second grant, of crest, supporters and a badge ... I can find no evidence that the Football Association has ever made public use of the crest, supporters or badge. Recent correspondence with the F.A. in fact suggests that they are unaware that their coat of arms includes these elements. It also appears that they are at the time of writing unable to locate either the original grant of arms or the second grant of supporters, badge, and crest" from page 39 of: Phillips, David Llewelyn (Spring 2015). "Badges and 'Crests':The Twentieth-century Relationship Between Football and Heraldry" (PDF). The Coat of Arms, the Journal of the Heraldry Society. XI part 1 (229): 35–50.

ALT2:... that the coat of arms of the Football Association (pictured) has been described as probably the second best-known in England, after the royal arms?"This is interesting considering the extremely high visibility that the shield has achieved. It is probable that after the Royal arms it is the most widely recognised shield in England" from page 39 of: Phillips, David Llewelyn (Spring 2015). "Badges and 'Crests':The Twentieth-century Relationship Between Football and Heraldry" (PDF). The Coat of Arms, the Journal of the Heraldry Society. XI part 1 (229): 35–50.
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Comment: ALT0 and 1 must use the first image, ALT2 must use the second.

Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 16:01, 29 September 2021 (UTC).[reply]

Article was nominated the day it was moved to mainspace, a QPQ has been done, and other article requirements are met. I didn't find any close paraphrasing. All hooks have been verified in the provided source. I don't have a full preference for a hook but I think ALT0 is marginally more interesting than the other two. Both images are suitably licensed. Only issue: the reference for ALT2 comes after the sentence after ALT2's sentence, rather than the exact sentence. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:41, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review Narutolovehinata5. I disagree with that rule of DYK, which is out of step with Wikipedia:Citing sources, but have added a duplicate reference to comply - Dumelow (talk) 09:49, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. Done. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:01, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Dumelow: I don't see ALT0 in the article, where can I find it? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 20:45, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi theleekycauldron, it's in the middle of the "second grant of arms" section: "The supporters were lions with their upper halves white and lower halves blue (replicating the England football kit colours)". I've duplicated the ref there also to comply with the rule - Dumelow (talk) 06:17, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, thank ya thank ya! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 06:21, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ALT0 to T:DYK/P7