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The Clarence Hotel Discussion

The Clarence is at 6-8 Wellington Quay, Dublin 2. It was built in 1852 and purchased by Bono and the Edge in 1992. It now has 49 rooms and suites. The cheapest rooms are a bit over 100 Euros per night, which is about US $150. Not bad. The penthouse suite is over 1000 Euros per night. The main restaurant, the Tea Room, is now being renovated. There is another restaurant in operation, the Study Cafe. Valet parking is available at 25 Euros per night. I read the website and some newspaper articles. It is 6 stories high.

They have 2 additional partners. One partner is developer Paddy McKillen. For about 5 years they have been planning a MAJOR expansion, which would mean gutting several adjoining historic buildings, leaving just the facades. Everything else would be new. Budget projected at US $237.2 million. There has been strong opposition from historic preservation groups, but support from some city agencies. The project was "on hold" for several years but has been revised. The architect is Norman Foster.

The hotel lost money during the worst recession years, but is now profitable. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:42, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Is the restaurant relevant enough to have an article? What does this mean: It is 6 stories high. What else can I add to the article? see: User:Miss Bono/Clarence Hotel. I am using Hilton_San_Diego_Bayfront as format reference Ms.Bono^(zootalk)^☆ 19:45, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Six stories means six levels, or six floors. I would just have a restaurant section of the main article for now. They are hiring world class chefs. Maybe the restaurant will become more notable after it re-opens. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:49, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

hehe, sorry I was thinking about a restaurant cuz I am hungry. I meant the hotel :) Ms.Bono^(zootalk)^☆ 19:56, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Can you find some free picture of the Hotel? Ms.Bono^(zootalk)^☆ 20:05, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

From Pjoef

To Cullen328 and Pjoef... here's the discussion :)

The following is taken from the press page of its website:

Built in 1852, The Clarence had last been refurbished during the late Thirties in the Arts & Crafts style originating from when the hotel was first built.

By the Seventies, while still retaining a sense of Old World charm and dignity, it was past its prime. At the same time, the ranks of the original clientele, once drawn primarily from the clergy, judiciary and visitors from the provinces, were swelled by the artists, musicians, writers and designers who began to make the Temple Bar area their own.

Among the regulars were two members of the rock group U2, Bono & The Edge, whose fond recollections of their youthful haunt led them to assemble a consortium of Irish investors and purchased the hotel in 1992 with a view to restoring it to the former glory of this Dublin city hotel.

To realise their vision, the owners assembled a team of professionals from both Ireland and abroad. The result of their collaboration, guided by the owners' directive that the design respect the country's quintessential Irish heritage and character.

A hotel like The Clarence is inevitably a personal vision, and for the owners, The Clarence is where they would choose to stay when visiting Dublin - a hotel in Temple Bar that is at once simple but elegant, unpretentious but luxurious, that is modern but also embodies the best of traditional Irish hospitality.

Ms.Bono^(zootalk)^☆ 12:33, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sources (Remove after working with them)

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Pjoef i cannot follow the links :'(... Ms.Bono^(zootalk)^☆ 14:34, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I know... it's for me. Try this. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 14:39, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Got it and found some things, I'll be checking them out right now :) Ms.Bono^(zootalk)^☆ 14:44, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The following (or part of it) is what I've been able to find out. There is little about its original construction (1852), architect[s] and style[s], and about its use (see City Hall, Dublin). It looks like it was rebuilt or restyled in 1939 (see below), but there is a black hole from the 1940s until the 1990s. From the 1990s onwards, there are enough news. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 08:31, 4 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

1939 – Clarence Hotel, Wellington Quay, Dublin

Architect: Bradbury & Evans

"1939 – Clarence Hotel, Wellington Quay, Dublin". archiseek.com.

Moonlizard Clarence Hotel / Wynns Hoitel 1939 Original Advert Over 70 Years Old

Art Deco Dublin: The Clarence Hotel, Wellington Quay, Dublin

By Bradbury & Evans (1939)

"Art Deco Dublin: The Clarence Hotel, Wellington Quay, Dublin". webring.com.

CNN Food Central - Restaurants: Dublin

"CNN Food Central - Restaurants: Dublin". CNN.

Dublin Restaurants – The Tea Room

"Restaurants: Dublin Restaurants – The Tea Room". The New York Times. {{cite web}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help)

Dublin: Food and drink: The Octagon Bar

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U2: The Secret History

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Flashes: September 25, 1992: News Article

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An 1852 Dublin Hotel Reopens, Redone

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OUT THERE: Dublin; The Irish, These Days, Stay Home and Go Out

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Bono's Hotel

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Five dead in worst tragedy in the history of Dublin Bus

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French police still haven't found what U2's looking for

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Mysterious Days

Klosterman, Chuck (29 November 2004). "INTERVIEWS: Mysterious Days". Spin.

Sit Back and Relax? Bono's Wife Can't.

Jones, Liz (2 March 2005). "Evening Standard: Sit Back and Relax? Bono's Wife Can't". Associated New Media.

Clarence Hotel, Dublin, Dublin, Ireland: A bono fide design

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Rock star Bono in Dublin hotel wrangle

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Bono under fire over £100m hotel plan

Peterkin, Tom (2 October 2007). "Bono under fire over £100m hotel plan". The Telegraph.

Bono’s hotel plan angers Dublin traditionalists

October 2, 2007

"Bono's hotel plan angers Dublin traditionalists". The Independent. 2 October 2007. {{cite web}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help)

McKittrick, David (3 October 2007). "Bono's hotel plan angers Dublin traditionalists". The Independent. {{cite web}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help)

Farren height to reach new level as Bill drops by for bite to eat

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Former president flirts and flatters his way around the capital city

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Building plans give U2 hometown blues

· McDonald, Henry (3 December 2007). "Building plans give U2 hometown blues". The Guardian.

U2 under fire from environmentalists

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U2 Embroiled In Planning Permission Furore

"U2 Embroiled In Planning Permission Furore". XFM London 104.9. 12 December 2007.

Bono's Dublin Hotel Plan Pits Rocker Against Preservationists

Doyle, Dara (20 February 2008). "Doubts cast over Clarence hotel's future". BLOOMBERG.

U2's Bono Embroiled in Hotel Historic Preservation Controversy

Howard, Brian Clark (25 February 2008). "U2's Bono Embroiled in Hotel Historic Preservation Controversy: Some Irish Argue Dublin Project Is Merely Green Building Light". thedailygreen.

Bono's plan gets their Irish up

Doyle, Dara (25 February 2008). "Bono's plan gets their Irish up". Los Angeles Times.

Doubts cast over Clarence hotel's future

"Doubts cast over Clarence hotel's future". RTÉ News. 16 April 2008.

U2’s grand designs for clarence

"U2's grand designs for clarence". Independent.ie. 16 April 2008.

U2 frontman Bono wants to spend a staggering $237.2 million turning the hotel he owns into a spectacular city resort.

"Robert Redford's Sundance retreat tops celebrity resorts list". thecheers.org. 20 May 2008.

Clarence Hotel green lighted - with small changes

Murphy, Cormac (17 July 2008). "Clarence Hotel green lighted - with small changes". Herald.ir.

Rock band U2's frontmen win battle to expand Dublin's Clarence hotel

White, Jeffrey (18 July 2008). "Rock band U2's frontmen win battle to expand Dublin's Clarence hotel". Gadling.

Bono to knock down hotel

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U2 stars win green light for disputed Dublin hotel

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Bono and The Edge win battle for controversial hotel development

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Dublin: My kind of town

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Bono 'hurt' by criticism of U2 move to Netherlands to cut tax

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Hotelier recalls working on Dublin hotel owned by U2's Bono

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Losses soar at Bono's Clarence Hotel

Dillon, Fiona (25 September 2010). "Losses soar at Bono's Clarence Hotel". Herald.ie.

Bono Partner McKillen's Suit May Hold Key for Anglo Irish Loans

Griffin, Donal; Keehner, Jonathan; Brennan, Joe (3 October 2010). "Bono Partner McKillen's Suit May Hold Key for Anglo Irish Loans". Bloomberg.

Leaving Ireland: emigration looms again for children of the tiger that lost its claws

Craig, Olga; Alexander, Harriet; Clarke, Jim (3 October 2010). "Bono Partner McKillen's Suit May Hold Key for Anglo Irish Loans". The Telegraph.

An Irish Tycoon and the Long Arm of Dublin

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Irish Court Backs 'Bad Bank' Structure

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Irish 'bad bank' fends off challenge

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UPDATE 1-Ireland's NAMA will not acquire McKillen's loans

Crimmins, Carmel (15 July 2011). Loades-Carter, Jon (ed.). "UPDATE 1-Ireland's NAMA will not acquire McKillen's loans". Reuters.

Bono and the Edge help Clarence Hotel back to profit

Deegan, Gordon (15 October 2011). "Home » Business Bono and the Edge help Clarence Hotel back to profit". Irish Examiner. {{cite web}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help)

Bono and The Edge's Clarence Hotel back making profits

Kelly, Antoinette (17 October 2011). "Bono and The Edge's Clarence Hotel back making profits". IrishCentral.com.

Bono Invests in Cloud Startup Dropbox

Booton, Jennifer (2 April 2012). "Bono Invests in Cloud Startup Dropbox". FOXBusiness.

U2 stars Bono and the Edge invest millions in internet storage company Dropbox

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Court told Bono met Saudi prince on yacht in hotel deal

"Court told Bono met Saudi prince on yacht in hotel deal". BBC News: Northern Ireland. 26 April 2012.

Bono witnessed £230m deal to sell Savoy hotel, judge told

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U2 stars revive €150m Clarence makeover plans

O'Connor, Niall (25 March 2013). "U2 stars revive €150m Clarence makeover plans". Herald.ie.

Clarence Hotel Dublin

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Unfair dismissal case against U2 stars' Clarence Hotel is struck out

Managh, Ray (27 June 2013). "Irish News › Courts › Unfair dismissal case against U2 stars' Clarence Hotel is struck out". Irish Independent. {{cite web}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help)

Bono's hotel case dismissed

"Herald.ie › Bono's hotel case dismissed". Herald.ie. 27 June 2013.

... as U2 are forced to cut revamp of Clarence

Murphy, Cormac (28 June 2013). "Herald.ie › ... as U2 are forced to cut revamp of Clarence". Herald.ie.

The fab four: celebrity-owned hotels

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Bono, Clinton Push for Debt Relief

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The Clarence and F. Lawless

(Extract important stuffs) In 1991 he befriended U2 lead singer Bono after meeting him during a plane journey. The following year he visited Bono in Dublin and stayed overnight in a hotel called The Clarence on the banks of the River Liffey . After discovering the hotel was up for sale he suggested to Bono that buying and refurbishing a hotel in such a prime location might be a good investment. The following year Bono purchased the hotel with U2 guitarist The Edge.^[1] The hotel was completely refurbished and is now a 5 star boutique establishment frequented by many A-list celebrities. Despite its fame the hotel lost €1.6M In 2009.^[2] Ms.Bono^(zootalk)^☆ 14:48, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Miss Bono, what is your source for this information about Fred Lawless and Bono? I can't find the reference. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:59, 5 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Beautiful Day Video

A month before the album release (ATYCLB), a live version of the song was filmed in Dublin on the rooftop of The Clarence hotel. It is featured on the extra features of the Elevation 2001: Live from Boston DVD (although it is marked on the DVD as "Toronto, Canada"). Ms.Bono^(zootalk)^☆ 14:50, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

References

Books

Browne, Harry (4 June 2013). The Frontman: Bono (In the Name of Power). Verso Books. pp. 46–49, 53, 106, 167.
Davenport, Fionn (2010). Dublin (8th ed.). Footscray, Victoria / London: Lonely Planet. p. 217. ISBN 1741792207. OCLC 651075393.
McCormick, Neil (2004). Killing Bono: I Was Bono's Doppelganger. New York: Pocket Books. p. 336. ISBN 0743482484. OCLC 56733835.
Stokes, Niall (2005). U2: Into the Heart: The Stories Behind Every Song. Da Capo Press. pp. 97, 140, 152, 193, 204–205.
Trachtenberg, Martha P. (1 March 2008). Bono: Rock Star Activist. Enslow. pp. 65, 82.

Extracted material with sources

Tea Room restaurant is a member of the Good Food Ireland alliance and specilises in local Irish produce.
The Clarence incorporates a fitness room and a massage and beauty treatments room.
There is a Living Room in the ground floor, the Gallery Bar and Loung in the 2nd level. (http://www.dublin.info/clarence-hotel/)

There is a dance club, named The Kitchen, in the basement of The Clarence Hotel (http://travel2.nytimes.com/top/features/travel/destinations/europe/ireland/dublin/entertainment_danceclubs.html)

The Clarence is in the center of Dublin, across the street from the River Liffey and 60 meters from the Millenium Bridge.
Guestrooms and suites at The Clarence offer beds with Egyptian-cotton linens and furniture and decor created by Irish artisans. (http://www.hotels.com/ho122239/the-clarence-dublin-ireland/) May 9, 2012

In November 2000 Bono hosted a surprise celebration for Bob Hewson' s birthday at The Clarence. A karaoke event was developed and two exotic belly dancers attended (http://www.atu2.com/news/bob-hewson-rip.html) 22 august 2001

In 2003, the after party of the BT Fashion Show was held at The Clarence. Celebrities like The Corrs, Joe Elliott of Def Leppard, Samantha Mumba, Louis Walsh, Super Models Heidi Klum, Helena Christensen, Aimee Mullens, Jerry Hall, Erin O'Connor, Jane Bradbury, singer Seal, rock bands Feeder and Counting Crows, actors Jamie Theakston, Nick Moran, Patrick Bergin and Max Beasley attended, including Bono and The Edge.

To me, most of this material seems inappropriate for an article about a hotel. I don't think that we can source puffery about the lines and the furniture to a website like hotels.com, which is neither independent nor relaible about anything that can be construed as promotional. And party guest lists are not appropriate. Mentioning the dance club is probably OK, but we should find a better source than the brief directory listing in the New York Times. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:41, 4 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. What about Bob hewson's party?? Ms.Bono^(zootalk)^☆ 19:44, 4 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Bono had a birthday party for his sick father at the Clarence Hotel. A few months later, his father died. Why is that worthy of mention in an encyclopedia article about a hotel? Certainly, the death of his father can be mentioned in Bono's biography. But the party is trivial, in my opinion. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:02, 5 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, got it! Ms.Bono^(zootalk)^☆ 12:11, 5 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Gallery

Here is a gallery of all Clarence Hotel images at Commons. You said you can't get to commons, so here they are. I hope this helps. Notice the new bar image. Yay! I will add any new images I find to this gallery.

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:58, 5 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot, Anna. The bar is COOL!! why don't we all (Cullen328, TheOriginalSoni, Pjoef, Technical 13, you, all my WikiFriends in my list and myself) join some day and go for a drink in the Octagon Bar xP?? Later we'd have to see who pay the bill?? /($_$)/ Ms.Bono^(zootalk)^☆ 12:54, 5 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Silly girl. Obviously Bono himself should cover all the airfare and lodging and pay the bill... :p Technical 13 (talk) 16:14, 5 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, sure. And then he's going to propose to me at the rooftop and he is gonna sing "Iris" by Goo Goo Dolls. :P... Technical 13 do you think that if he knew all our efforts we are doing for covering their (U2) articles... he wouldn't lend us their own plane?? :P Ms.Bono^(zootalk)^☆ 17:08, 5 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Picture

I have a chapter of a Spanish TV Show called Viajeros Callejeros, this time the traveled to Ireland and there are several shots of The Clarence Hotel, Edge's room is shown and the roof where they recorded a version of Beautiful Day video. Can I take a picture of any part of the inside of the Hotel and upload it with the proper liscence?? Ms.Bono^(zootalk)^☆ 14:05, 5 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

[1] The Clarence Hotel, Dublin

[2] U2 lose €1.6M in hotel venture.

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