Talk:City of David (archaeological site)

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This article has previously been nominated to be moved. Please review the prior discussions if you are considering re-nomination.

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Moved, 31 May 2022, from City of David (historic) to City of David (archaeological site), see discussion.
Not moved, 17 April 2023, from City of David (archaeological site) to City of David/Wadi Hilweh, see discussion.

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Ahiel's House, Burnt Room, House of Bullae... Arminden (talk) 09:12, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"City of David

By what right is a site that preceded David named after David; especially a naming that was chosen by a French archaeologist in 1913? Even if this is a common name by independent and reliable sources - which I am not sure it is yet - why is none of the naming controversy highlighted in lede, instead of being relegated to a small sentence in the Naming section? Note that its common name in the region to the Arab inhabitants, which probably included Mizrahi Jews, was/is called Wadi al-Hilweh? Makeandtoss (talk) 09:22, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Article also needs some expansion on the politicization aspects of the sites by illegal Israeli settlers. [1] Makeandtoss (talk) 10:04, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's just the name for the archeological site, the name of which is the preserve of the archaeologists, however, POV-driven that naming may be. It falls under WP:POVTITLE. Wadi Hilweh is already a separate article about the surrounding area. Iskandar323 (talk) 10:23, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Check the references below, the archaeological site is referred to by both names - regardless of whether the archaeological site is part of the wider valley of the same name or not. Makeandtoss (talk) 10:28, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Both names might have been used for both the dig site and the area, but the dig site is more commonly known as "City of David" and the area as Wadi Hilweh. See the quote from the first source: Arab neighborhoods in East Jerusalem, especially Wadi Hilweh, where the dig is located. This was hashed out and resolved through two prior RMs - here and here. Iskandar323 (talk) 10:42, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As far as all the sources mentioned tell, the two names are also used interchangeably for the site. Makeandtoss (talk) 10:47, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 17 April 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) – Material Works (contribs) 18:47, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

City of David (archaeological site) → City of David/Wadi Hilweh or City of David (Wadi Hilweh) – Wadi Hilweh is used along with the City of David name for the archaeological site in most sources (regardless of the fact that the site is within the Wadi Hilweh valley anyway), here's a few examples:

Oppose.The name "City of David" is far more frequently used to refer to the archeological site. You appear to be confusing the archeological site with the neighborhood, for which there is already a designated article, named Wadi Hilweh. Tombah (talk) 11:13, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You haven't demonstrated that City of David alone is used "far more frequently". The above results are the main results I got from a quick google search. Makeandtoss (talk) 12:19, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: Per above. This move request, already made highly unusual by the non-standard slash in the proposed destination, would simply re-ambiguate a situation that other editors, myself included, have been at pains to disambiguate. Yes, the "City of David" is a tour de force of revisionist unempirical biblical archaeological POV-ishness, and creates a mess that the City of David disambiguation page basically exists solely to redress, but it also is what it is. The dig site is simply not well-known as the "Wadi Hilweh archaeological site" or "Wadi al-Hilweh archaeological site", even though it may have intruded upon and contributed to the erasure of Wadi Hilweh neighbourhood. Iskandar323 (talk) 11:31, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

City of David (Wadi Hilweh) is a possible compromise, considering that as shown above, every time the site was mentioned in reliable sources, the Palestinian name was mentioned along with it. Makeandtoss (talk) 12:34, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As mentioned by Tombah, there is considerable source confusion between the neighborhood and the dig site - the neighborhood is also called the "City of David" by its settler inhabitants, and that is what many of these sources show. What you would need to make your case would be sources very specifically referring to the dig site as "Wadi Hilweh XXX". Iskandar323 (talk) 12:55, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose City of David (Silwan) redirects to Wadi Hilweh after all the earlier renaming and disambiguating kerfuffle gone through earlier. The only thing possibly still worth doing is to specify a separate CoD (tourism) to clarify further Elad misdeeds.Selfstudier (talk) 12:29, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

1200-1000 BC

Let me tell you a story about a man who was looking for information on Jerusalem in the years 1200-1000 BC... Cornelius (talk) 20:50, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

1 Kings 11:27

In July 2024, the Israel Antiquities Authority and Tel Aviv University announced the discovery of a moat that a moat that split the City of David in half, separating the palace and Temple Mount from the rest of the city. It was at least nine meters deep and 30 meters wide, and extended across at least 70 meters, from west to east. (source: Times of Israel) 87.0.123.54 (talk) 12:21, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Country ambiguation, citations

"The City of David is one of the most excavated archaeological sites in the country and one of the first to be excavated." Citations needed for both of these claims, as well as the ambiguity of the use of 'country' ie State of Palestine is the country. Postmethod (talk) 06:07, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]