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I think it should be mentioned in the article that a number of the defendants have had troubles with their lawyers (such as hiring/firing/rehiring), but I am not sure I can find a single source that states this instead of having to cobble it together with individual news reports on individual members, which could constitute undue WP:OR or WP:SYNTH concerns. Anyone out there able to find something I've missed? Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz (talk) 17:16, 3 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Official website

The website (http://www.citizensforconstitutionalfreedom.net/) given in the 'External links' section might not be the current, official website of the C4CF. The official website is likely the more polished-looking http://c4cf.com/. According to http://whois.domaintools.com/c4cf.com, Ammon Bundy registered the domain name c4cf.com on Jan. 7, 2016. According to http://whois.domaintools.com/citizensforconstitutionalfreedom.net, the domain name citizensforconstitutionalfreedom.net was created three days earlier, but Bundy was not the registrant.

The Wayback Machine currently has three snapshots of c4cf.com. The website's names in the Jan. 10 snapshot were Citizens for Constitutional Freedom and Citizens 4 Constitutional Freedom. By March 5 the website's name had changed to People for Constitutional Freedom, abbreviated as P4CF. Shawna Cox apparently registered the domain name p4cf.com on Feb. 15, 2016, two days before she filed her countersuit. For now, I think we should go with People for Constitutional Freedom and http://c4cf.com/ with regards to the Citizens for Constitutional Freedom's official website name and address.Alan G. Archer (talk) 21:45, 7 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

As a follow-up, I've read in the "Affidavit of Shawna Cox" (https://archive.org/details/refugehc) that the militants voted to change their name to People for Constitutional Freedom on Jan. 25 (see pp. 22–23). Up until that date, the PPN apparently had control of http://www.Citizens4ConstitutionalFreedom.com (created Jan. 4 and registered to Ammon Bundy; see: http://whois.domaintools.com/citizens4constitutionalfreedom.com). Alan G. Archer (talk) 09:04, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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