Talk:Chutney/Archive 1

Archive 1

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I read on a printed placemat in an Indian restaurant yesterday that "chutney" comes from a word that literally meant "things to lick". Truth or fiction? --FOo 17:06, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

According to Dictionary.com, truth.

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The practice of transliterating the /tS/ of Indian languages as "c" is a well-established standard, quite far from archaic, and has a very good basis, since said sound contrasts in those languages with the aspirated /tS^h/, which is the one properly transliterated "ch" (thus keeping the consistency of transliterating the aspirated consonants by means of -h digraphs: p/ph, b/bh, t/th, d/dh, c/ch, j/jh, k/kh, g/gh). Using "ch" for the unaspirated sound is like using "ee" and "oo" for the long /i:/ and /u:/ vowels (instead of the standard scientific transliteration, ī and ū), that is, an unscientific anglicized spelling. Uaxuctum 22:01, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)

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I don't suppose this[1] would make a good external link? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.139.198.89 (talk • contribs) 09:20, Jan 28, 2005 (UTC)

No, it would not. :) 130.184.237.232 19:39, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

I added the weebls-stuff link before I saw this thread... I don't see why it's not a good link. I know it's kinda silly, but it is chutney-related, and it only takes up one line. Also, it mentions two foods that go good with chutney which are relatively obscure to an average North American, so it even has a slightly educational value. I think it should stay, since there's no actual violation of Wikipedia guidelines that I can detect. - Ugliness Man 15:18, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

It's exceedingly silly and trivial. Please see Wikipedia:External_links for guidance on appropriate external links. --Cactus.man ✍ 16:52, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Since it has very little educational value and the value it does has can be found through other more reliable sources or is simply considered common knowledge. By linking this animation, we should link every other animation that discusses chutney by principle. It certaintly does not have international acclaim nor has it effected the production or consumption or awareness of chutney. Leah 14:44, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

"Every other animation that discusses chutney" - name one? Also it does give a good brief introduction to the matter. It is a tasty sauce that you can have with your poppadom or your main course. Also all this research can get a bit tedious ;) 193.63.174.10 (talk) 19:13, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Added a comment re: the animation in the "External Links" section

so that should take care of the animation problem, I hope. 130.184.237.233 19:03, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Speaking of which, how many times has that link been deleted and is there anything else that can be done if that doesn't stop the animation from being linked?

Numerous times. I added a hidden editor comment inside the page to not add it again. Hopefully that stops it. Leah 07:32, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Content very similar to http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-chutney.htm with no references on either pages. sgsdfsd —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.164.191.62 (talk) 06:20, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 17:40, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Nice article describing what chutney is with links to how various kinds are made. But, except for the 'spread on meat in the American South', it is silent on what it is for or how it's used. The authors probably consider that obvious. But that's what I came to this article to find out. Spread on toast? Used in cooking? Lubrication in the automotive trades  :)? A paragraph on chutney's uses would be a useful addition. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.205.34.203 (talk) 10:01, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I also came to this article expecting a little more information than is presented. Specifically, I was hoping to find out what differentiates a chutney from a pickle or relish. After reading the article, it still isn't clear what makes something a chutney. 68.8.202.217 (talk) 16:49, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Good point! This article is too focused on Indian style chutneys. I suspect most people would like an answer to your question as opposed to variations between Bengali vs. Mumbai chutneys etc. Chutney is now a world food concept that means different thing is different regions: England uses plums, in the Carribbean mango or banana chutney is popular, and peach chutney is popular is in the American South. I don't yet understand how to properly edit wikipedia articles but surely the subject of chutney should be addressed from a global perspective. And in answer to your question, in the Western definition of chutney, chutney is generally fruits + vinegar + sugar cooked down, whereas relishes are generally vegetables + vinegar + sugar. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chip Nibbler (talk • contribs) 18:43, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

It may also beg the question of where you draw the fruit/vegetable line or what exceptions you're willing to grant. I note Apple chutney (a sickly brown foodstuff that haunted my youth) is not listed, but we have Tomato and Onion... both of which I have sampled, and they're very good, and not quite qualifying as relishes by dint of their sweetness and lack of other major ingredients (there's about as much onion, gherkin, etc as tomato in "tomato relish"). However the debate over Tomato's status as fruit/vegetable continues to rage, and I'm pretty sure Onion qualifies as the latter, being a bulb (or corm). 193.63.174.10 (talk) 19:17, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Islam Language?

"The Islam translation of 'to make chutney' is a common idiom meaning 'to crush'." --- I can leave aside that it's not the translation of "to make chutney" but rather the verb in that language that means the making of chutney. BUT: what exactly is the Islam language that the author is referring to? There is no such thing. Is Arabic meant?

Etymology

Hindi language has formed in 10th century. But there are preserved Middle Persian (224-654 CE) sources in which the word "Chashni" has been used. In Moin Persian dictionary the root of the word "CHASHNI" (Which means Chutney in Persian) is said to be from Middle Persian. (Source) So, If there is any relation between the Hindi "chutney" and Persian "chashni", it's Middle Persian root can be added to the article, based on reliable sources. --Wayiran (talk) 01:16, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Rules for ingredients

"Traditionally, the only consistent rule for Chutney composition is that it will never contain raisins." That doesn't make any sense to me. I'm sure that there were many things that were excluded from "traditional" chutney. To claim that the only ingredient never used was raisins is a bizarre claim.Jimjamjak (talk) 20:32, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Here is a recipe for a type of chutney from the days of the British Raj that contained currants and raisins. RPSM (talk) 19:24, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Is there a reference for this claim as I cannot find anything like one in any of my Indian cooking books or elsewhere online that does not cite Wikipedia itself. I have tagged the statement as dubious for now. Falerin (talk) 20:18, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

This claim should be removed entirely. Is the author suggesting that beef or dirt could be included, but not raisins? If the claim is that the British have disregarded typical chutneys or introduced unorthodox ingredients, the claim should be made clearly, perhaps in a section on British chutney. gabekneisley —Preceding undated comment added 02:33, 18 September 2010 (UTC).

I have removed the strange claim about raisins being not allowed in chutneys but everything else is. It has been there for a year without any references. Not to mention it is very illogical as everyone above has said. There are so many ingredients not used in Indian cooking at all (No cuisine uses every ingredient, every cooking country and cooking culture is unique). The sentence looked very silly (and sort of ruined the flow of the article) so if somebody wants to add it back, they should back it up with sources. Gizza^{Talk ©} 12:28, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

How is Chutney used?

This article is fairly good in describing what chutney is but I would like to know how is chutney used?

The article only briefly answers this question: "The tradition of chutney making spread throughout the British empire, especially in the Caribbean and American South where chutney is still a popular condiment for ham, pork, and fish."

How is chutney used in India? How is it eaten? What is it typically eaten with?

Thank you for considering this question. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Americanscholar (talk • contribs) 03:01, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

I think with today's food trend of fusion foods and extreme pairings, chutney can be and is used on basically everything. Considering Western chutneys often include savory ingredients like onion, vinegar and mustard seed, I wouldn't pair chutney with a breakfast dish like French Toast, but who knows, people are crazy! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chip Nibbler (talk • contribs) 01:35, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Format of lead paragraphs

The lead of the article is presenting on the screen with many spaces missing between words. If I cut and paste the text into a WP document there are indeed no spaces. But when you open the page to edit, it shows there being spaces--even double spaces--in many of those locations. I'm stumped.... PurpleChez (talk) 20:30, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

There was a brace missing. Took me some stumped minutes as well. Jadephx (talk) 20:35, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

The six tastes

http://www.eattasteheal.com/ETH_6tastes.htm RPSM (talk) 17:07, 30 November 2015 (UTC)