Talk:Chief of the boat

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Capitalization?

Should this page be "Chief of the boat", or moved to "Chief of the Boat"? Ewlyahoocom 00:42, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My Bluejackets' Manual (19th edition) consistently uses all-lower-case: "... he is the 'chief of the boat,' the top enlisted administrator...." ➥the Epopt 00:57, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

not always senior enlisted person

This was added to the article, and I (rogerd 17:40, 1 October 2006 (UTC)) have moved this to the talk page[reply]

The Chief of the Boat may traditionally be the senior enlisted person onboard a submarine but that has not always been true and there may be exceptions today. As an ETCS(SS) [Grade E-8] I was COB and SEA (Senior Enlisted Advisor) onboard the USS Guitarro (SSN-665) while an RMCM(SS) [Grade E-9] was also assigned to the ship. In fact he had been the first COB on this same ship when it was commissioned.

Bob Mhoon ETCS (SS) USN Retired Arlington, TX —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bobmhoon (talk • contribs) 13:00, September 21, 2006 (UTC)

As a similar item to this I've wondered: I'm not sure if the Chief of the Boat can be nuclear trained. My crew has a Senior Chief from "forward" as the Cob, and there's a Master Chief as the EDMC (Bull Nuke).--Mtnerd (talk) 00:46, 21 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My first COB was a nuke MM (mechanic, I think). I had a fine collection of COBs during my 13 years on boats: nuke MM, A-ganger, QM, MT, SK, FT, ESM ET, and TM. 24.61.4.237 (talk) 01:52, 9 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"He" is allowed

Women are prohibited by law to serve on submarines of the United States Navy, so we can assume that a chief of the boat is male. Accordingly, this is one of the few places where it is unquestionably misleading to use the wordy and repulsive "gender-neutral" constructions, and entirely correct to use that horrific pronoun, he. ➥the Epopt 21:47, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

2nd that ! Same is true for the "COB" disambiguation page where "crewperson" is used. Equally misleading. JB --92.195.60.60 (talk) 01:03, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'll add this: although females are now serving aboard submarines, none are close to having had acquired the rank, qualifications, and seniority required for attaining command of a United States submarine. Therefore, currently only a person of the male gender ("he") has the authority to appoint the COB. (This is not a sexist opinion--it is based upon fact and logic.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:30A:2C54:8A60:4504:A95C:8BD1:2F3E (talk) 22:03, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Equivalent on ships

Is there an equivalent to the COB on USN surface ships? --SigPig |^{SEND - OVER} 14:51, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, there is. The most senior enlisted sailor on board a surface U.S. Navy ship is refered to as the "Command Master Chief." The abbreivations are: "CMC" informally, and "CMDCM" formally. Depending on the size of the ship's complement, he or she may be a "Command Senior Chief" instead. The abbreivations for a Command Senior Chief are: "CSC" informally, and "CMDCS" formally. A "CMC" or "CSC" has similar responsibilities as a Chief of the Boat on a submarine would. Hope this helps. Captain Cheeks (talk) 05:33, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Command Master Chief is the CMC. CMDCM is what his rating is changed to when he is assigned to fill a CMC billet (eg, RMCM Smith becomes CMDCM Smith, and EMCM Brown becomes CMDCM Brown). 24.61.4.237 (talk) 01:48, 9 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]