Talk:Chief of the Air Staff (Pakistan)

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Requested move 14 July 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) CLYDE ^{TALK TO ME}/_{STUFF DONE} 06:34, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

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• Chief of Air Staff (Pakistan) → Chief of the Air Staff (Pakistan)
• Chief of Naval Staff (Pakistan) → Chief of the Naval Staff (Pakistan)

– full official name[1] inline with Vice Chief of the Naval Staff, Deputy Chief of the Naval Staff, Assistant Chief of the Naval Staff 223.123.88.252

full official name[2] inline with Vice Chief of the Air Staff, Deputy Chief of the Air Staff (talk) 20:15, 13 July 2023 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). Skarmory (talk • contribs) 06:48, 14 July 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. ❯❯❯ Raydann^(Talk) 07:57, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

• Both of these fail WP:COMMONNAME. This is a WP:PCM. If you wish to continue with your request, click the discuss link in your request to begin a formal WP:RM discussion. Once you've done that, or if you do not wish to continue, please remove your request. Thanks! As you are an IP user, this request will be removed in 1 day. - UtherSRG (talk) 20:27, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

  @UtherSRG: i don't think Common Name criteria applies here, Please see Chief of the Air Staff 14 out of 10 contains official name with(the) in titles, and also Pakistan Navy's & Air Force's Second, Third, and Fourth level command posts alredy contains full name with(the) in titles. 223.123.88.183 (talk) 03:47, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

  COMMONNAME should always be considered, and if a request fails to be the common name, it should usually go through a full requested move. It's possible the other articles sren't following COMMONNAME, or consistency could be deemed to be less important than what the most common name is – there's a lot of nuances involved. These moves could also get consensus, just there is basis to oppose, which means it's not uncontroversial. A full requested move may be started using the discuss link above. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 05:13, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

@Skarmory: Kindly also see this, I searched both on Google and it shows 75,000,000 most results of "Chief of the Air Staff Pakistan"[3], and 68,800,000 results of the "Chief of Air Staff Pakistan"[4] now it's clear which one is the common name and plus+ i already provided official name evidence and other Second, Third, Fourth posts articles are also using official names. 223.123.85.101 (talk) 06:14, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

The technical requests section of requested moves is only for uncontroversial requests. This is controversial and has been contested, and I have started a full requested move as such. I make no comment on whether the page should be moved or not. (By the way, those links give me 55,700,000 and 55,600,000 results respectively; raw numbers over about 1,000 are estimates and untrustworthy, and at this scale there are going to be so many false positives anyway that a raw google hit count won't be reliable. Wikipedia:Search engine test is probably worth reading.) Skarmory (talk • contribs) 06:42, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

RM/TR discussion above. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 06:52, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Military history has been notified of this discussion. ❯❯❯ Raydann^(Talk) 07:58, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Pakistan has been notified of this discussion. ❯❯❯ Raydann^(Talk) 07:58, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support. Appears to be the correct name and is much better English in any case. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:22, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

  Chief of staff is an English phrase. jlwoodwa (talk) 05:38, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

  Indeed. But Chief of Air Staff is not because the Air Staff is a proper name, whereas staff is not. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:36, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

  Correct in what sense? Andrewa (talk) 23:31, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

  • Correct as in that's what most sources, official and unofficial, call it! In addition to it being correct English, as I have said. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:11, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support per nom and per Necrothesp, who is, of course, correct. BD2412 T 23:29, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

  Again, correct in what sense? Andrewa (talk) 23:34, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support per nom and per Necrothesp. Gog the Mild (talk) 20:04, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.