Talk:Chi Phi/Archive 1

Archive 1

Possible Copyright Violation

It appears large portions of text were directly copied from Chi Phi History. RarefiedDeer (talk) 16:58, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh absolutely they were, and the history section has been deleted (yet again). Using the page as a source is fine, but please rewrite it in your own words. --DO11.10 (talk) 22:52, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Leave the page alone. It is being monitored an official of Chi Phi and has been reveiwed for copyright violations. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cshuler (talk • contribs) 02:00, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

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The copyright violation has again been removed. Re-adding the copyrighted text will result in the page being protected against editing until the matter is resolved. --DO11.10 (talk) 06:14, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

The 1824 Fraud

Does the fraud of the 1824 establishment have any support at all outside the society? If not all such references should be removed. It's an embarassment.LesleyAnnWarren (talk) 04:58, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Getting back to you after merely 13 years... The justification of an 1824 date of foundation is quite thin. It appears the earlier group did exist, lending fragments of itself to a much-removed generation of enthusiastic young collegians. But the focus had changed, and was no longer a religious "tract society", ostensibly evangelical in nature. Was that earlier group even named Chi Phi? The citation is unclear. Thus I would favor the interpretation that the modern fraternity was inspired by the fact of an earlier Princeton group, but that it emerged out of the work of the 1854 generation of Princetonians, consolidating with the Southern and the Secret Orders. It's a nice story; I wouldn't call it a fraud.

In a similar way, Kappa Sigma was founded here in the US in 1869 at the University of Virginia. But it claims inspiration from a much older group founded in ~1400 at the University of Bologna in Italy. They point to this as their "Traditional Founding". Fanciful? Yes. And they maintain both stories in their historical record.

"Traditional founding" and "Actual Founding" might be a way to put all this. Jax MN (talk) 13:00, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

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