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Seperate Chesed (Sephirot) Page Needed

Currently, the page merges both Kabbalistic terms and general Judaism. Two articles would better reflect these aspects.This comment was added by a different user

Agree. All the various esoteric Kabbalistic manifestations (eg. those listed on Seder Hishtalshelut page) need their own page. Merging Chesed (Kabbalah) into Chesed (general) is a bit like merging Electromagnetic spectrum into Waves article. All the Kabbalistic concepts deserve their own technical pages. I think these 2 articles were once separate, then were merged? There is an overlap, such as the page's discussion of Moshe Cordovero's Kabbalistic ethics. That should remain on the general Chesed page, as Kabbalistic forms of Mussar literature popularised Kabbalah in non-esoteric forms. The Chesed page should be restricted to kindness in Jewish ethics, including concepts, writings, organisations etc. In esoteric Kabbalah, the functional role of Chesed in ennacting Creation in the spiritual Worlds is discussed, while in Hasidic thought, the perception of this in the soul is explored. Separating the 2 articles would also resolve the placement problem of the Sephirot template on the page, discussed below. (Currently there are two copies of it!) I've started a discussion hat-note to enable the two pages to be separated (again?). (There is presently another discussion hat-note about whether the combined page should be merged with Loving-kindness. That might be possible for general Chesed ethics - though I disagree (see Talk:Loving-kindness) - but mangles even more metaphysical Chesed (Kabbalah)).

Further examples of why the technical Kabbalah topic needs its own page:

There is a Kabbalistic manifestation called the Skull (Gulgalta). If one day it rightfully receives its own page, one would not expect it to be merged with Skull
There is a Kabbalistic manifestation called the Beard (Dikna). If one day it righfully receives its own page, one would not merge this with Beard or Shaving in Judaism
Similarly, should the sephirah of Malkuth (Kingship) be merged in Kings of Israel? - No
The sephirah of Gevurah (Judgement) with Beth din? - No
The sephirah of Netzach (Victory) with Warfare in Judaism - No
The sephirah of Chokhmah (Kabbalah) (Wisdom) with Talmid Chacham? - No
The sephirah Tiferet (Beauty/Harmony) with Jewish art? - No

Separate Chesed (Kabbalah) page I think! April8 (talk) 16:45, 26 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I really don't think splitting the page would be conducive to a good article at this time. The Kabbalah section is very small and not well developed. If you were to split the page it would just make the subject harder to read. Op47 (talk) 15:19, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Edits good and bad

There have been five edits since my last update:

(cur | prev) 19:53, 6 September 2010 67.87.10.224 (talk) (6,425 bytes) (undo)
(cur | prev) 10:41, 5 September 2010 ClamDip (talk | contribs) m (6,426 bytes) (→References:

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(cur | prev) 09:17, 5 September 2010 Krsnajinana (talk | contribs) (6,414 bytes) (→Sephirah) (undo)
(cur | prev) 13:40, 30 August 2010 76.91.3.182 (talk) (5,504 bytes) (→Sephirah: - all other Sefirot articles have Sefirot at top of page, inconsistent, changed to match) (undo)
(cur | prev) 13:38, 30 August 2010 76.91.3.182 (talk) (5,515 bytes) (undo)

76.91.3.182 did not like the positioning of the sefirot template. However, in this instance, it is correct, The other sefirot articles are exclusive to the particular sephirah. Chesed is about a larger topic of Chesed, including the sephirah, attribute (charcater trait) of G-d, and mitzvah (commandment) of kindness. The sefirot template is only appropriate to the section of the article dealing with sephirah. BTW, the spelling shoudl be made consistent among article text (here and elsewhere), category, and template.

Simultaneously, 76.91.3.182 added a second transliteration of "Hesed," which makes sense, although the formatting needs improvement.

Krsnajinana changed an article heading. I think that was a good edit, but the intent of the heading shoudl be included into the text of that paragraph.

ClamDip fixed the missing reflist template.

67.87.10.224 vanadlized the article, replacing Hesed transliteration with "lola."

I will revert the misguided changes listed above while retaining the good changes. Dovid (talk) 19:45, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

WP:EN

As I read this this looks like a terminus technicus from kabbalah usage, but all the same has anyone done e.g. a Google Scholar/Books check to ensure that the article is following WP:EN? In ictu oculi (talk) 01:24, 16 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Gawd. Will you stop it? - Lisa (talk - contribs) 03:03, 16 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Lisa, excuse me? I understood that you asked me to look at this article in relation to WP:EN, so why did you ask if you did not wish me to comment? As far as this article goes this looks like a terminus technicus from kabbalah usage and therefore quite possibly is in Hebrew in English language sources, nevertheless, WP:EN is a Wikipedia policy. It is there for the benefit of all users. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:40, 16 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]