Talk:Charlie Joiner/GA1

GA Review

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Nominator: Harper J. Cole (talk · contribs) 12:50, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: WikiOriginal-9 (talk · contribs) 23:23, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Spot checks:

• Zimmerman, Paul (October 8, 1984). "HE'S CATCHING UP TO THE CATCHING RECORD". Sports Illustrated
  • The article says "the only child in a low income family" but I don't see low income in the ref? It looks like the citation on the second second actually gave that fact. I've combined the first two sentences together with the correct citation.Y

• Distel, Dave (December 13, 1986). "Don't strike up band, just give Charlie Joiner a hand". Los Angeles Times
  • The article says "Joiner was disappointed, but said that the younger receivers had practiced all week for the game and it would have been unfair to them if he had played" but I don't see that in the ref?
  • Everything else for this ref looks good.Yes, that comes from the "Joiner misses what may be last home game" reference. I've placed at the end of sentence.Y

• Magee, Jerry (December 29, 1979). "Aging Charlie Joiner now a thinking man's receiver". Shreveport Times
  • Articles says "Joiner struggled with post-surgery knee problems during the year" but I don't see surgery mentioned in the ref?
  • Everything else for this ref looks good.The knee surgery is cited earlier on in the paragraph ("Joiner hints at retirement"). I could add that citation to this sentence, though I prefer not to use more than two citations in a sentence for readability purposes.Y

• Football's lopsided deal". Pomona Progress-Bulletin. United Press International. July 27, 1971
  • Looks good.Y

• "Stewart, D.L. (July 19, 1973). "Bengals trade may prove OK". Dayton Journal Herald"
  • Looks good.Y

• Dolan, Steve. "For Joiner, Career Had Thrills and a Regret : He Recalls Records, but Missed Super Bowl". Los Angeles Times.
  • The article says "Joiner excelled despite neither being among the quickest nor most talented receivers in the NFL" but the ref is paywalled so could you tell me what the ref says in regards to that? Just wanted to double check because that is a significant claim.The ref looks free to me - possibly a regional difference. The quote is: "Joiner, who was the last active American Football League player, gained numerous admirers for his work ethic. Though not among the NFL’s quickest or most gifted receivers, he was known for the tireless hours spent learning the intricacies of the passing game."Y

• Ref 139 for the below says "broken anchor"?
  • "In addition to good health and longevity, Joiner was an intelligent player and precise pass route runner"I've replaced this ref with a couple more.Y

• "Joiner". Los Angeles Times. November 14, 1984. p. III-8 – via newspapers.com.
  • Looks good.Y

Comments:

• Add Category:Buffalo Bills coachesY
• Add Category:Coaches of American football from Louisiana.Y
• "Joiner's parents couldn't afford to send him to college" change bolded part to "could not".Y
• "Joiner had a breakout sophomore year as a receiver; his teammates voted him the Tigers' Most Valuable Player (MVP) for the season." Do you know how many catches or touchdowns he had, etc.Y
• How many touchdowns did he have during his senior year or career. The only part of the college section that mentions touchdowns says he had two in his final game.Y
• "with the 93rd overall pick by the AFL's Houston Oilers" write out American Football LeagueY
• "4.5 in the 40" change to "4.5 seconds in the 40-yard dash"Y
• "Oilers in receiving with 16 receptions for 307 yards and 2 touchdowns" Leading in "receiving" is a little ambiguous. What categories was he leading them in?Y
• "Walsh, who had just joined the Chargers as their offensive coordinator" link offensive coordinatorY
• "Joiner was often double covered" unlink double covered. That is linked earlier.Y
• "enough to led all Chargers wide receivers" change led to leadY
• "Ray Perkins became the Chargers' offensive coordinator in 1978, their third offensive coordinator in three years" unlink offensive coordinatorY
• "his former team the Oilers overcame key injuries to surprise" add commas as noted "his former team, the Oilers, overcame key injuries to surprise"Y
• "his former team the Oilers overcame key injuries to surprise San Diego 17–14 in their own stadium" Whose stadium, Houston or San Diego?Y
• "44–7 win over the New York Giants" New York Giants is already linked earlier.Y
• "penultimate play of the game set up" change bolded part to "game to set up"Y
• "game-winning 29-yard field goal" link field goal.Y
• "During the offseason Joiner intimated" comma after offseason?Y
• "kind of looking forward to camp" I see training camp is linked here but there is a specific article just for NFL training camp (Training camp (NFL)).Y
• "hadn't thrown the record-breaking pass" had notY
• "He would turn 39 during the course" change to "He turned 39 during the course"Y
• "saying that the Joiner's streak and potential last home game didn't cross his mind" change to "saying that Joiner's streak and potential last home game did not cross his mind"Y
• "He joined the Marv Levy's Buffalo Bills" remove theY
• for final stint working with their receivers" change to "for his final stint working with their receivers"Y
• His second-team All-Pro selection should go in the honors section too.Y
• "Charles B. Joiner Jr." needs a reference but references don't go in the lead so his full name should be cited in the first sentence of the early life section.I can't find any sources for this name, so I've amended it to just read "Charlie Joiner."Y
• In lead: "with over half his catches coming after his 32nd birthday" I don't see that in the body?Having looked into the age-related stats, the cited sources appear to be wrong. I've removed them and changed the line in the lead to refer to a high percentage of his catches coming after joining San Diego.Y
• It looks like a lot of the newspapers and publishers in the references section could be linked.Y
• I'm not sure if Air Coryell should actually be italicized? Its own article isn't in italics.Y
• "He scored two touchdowns in his final college game" link touchdownsY
• "was the Tigers' primary quarterback" link quarterbackY
• I think the article should say how the Oilers were absorbed into the NFL in 1970.Y

Amazing research. Great article! ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 23:23, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, @WikiOriginal-9:, I've gone through these now. Anything that wasn't a straightforward change, I've given a note in green font. Harper J. Cole (talk) 20:41, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

That all looks good. Nice work! ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:07, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

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