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Pinging Mariasfixing to give them the chance to post their concerns here for discussion. 331dot (talk) 19:24, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Seeking consensus

Can we agree to delete the last sentence? Not encyclopedic, just puffery. Page is fully protected or I'd have done it myself. --Floquenbeam (talk) 16:14, 2 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like puffery to me, so yes that sounds like a good idea. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 17:07, 2 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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2601:249:900:73A2:4084:B8A9:E035:1746 (talk) 06:38, 4 April 2016 (UTC) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/<Charlene McMann> All articles deletion and Charlene McMann removed from Wikipedia.[reply]

Not done: No deletion reason provided. — JJMC89 (T·C) 06:52, 4 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

IP User has been blocked for three months. Aloha27 talk 12:13, 12 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Chicago Blood Cancer twitter

The Chicago Blood Cancer twitter (https://twitter.com/curebloodcancer) has 17 followers and 2 tweets, so I don't think it is worth linking in the article. The twitter was founded in August 2010, which does match when McMann and Seaman founded that organization.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 12:57, 15 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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A community site ban is in effect per Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive920#Charlene_McMann. Any edits made by user accounts of IP addresses of the McManns are automatically deemed to be vandalism, and will be reverted. --Cahk (talk) 19:17, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 8 September 2018

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Moved as proposed. Consensus is clear (and, notably, even if it was not, the resolution of an absence of consensus would be to revert the undiscussed move). bd2412 T 01:16, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Chicago Blood Cancer Foundation → Charlene McMann – User:JzG nominated the "Charlene McMann" page for deletion, and, after there was no consensus, he moved it to "Chicago Blood Cancer Foundation" without any discussion. Given the history of this article, this strikes me as extremely inappropriate. I think it should be moved back immediately, and JzG should be scolded, at least. (And lest anyone think I'm biased, I agree with JzG on the merits of deletion: I've nominated this article for deletion myself and voted for deletion on the other noms. But this is still inexcusable behavior by him.)—Chowbok ☠ 19:38, 8 September 2018 (UTC) 19:36, 8 September 2018 (UTC) --Relisting. Dreamy Jazz 🎷 ^{talk to me | my contributions} 22:21, 17 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

There was no consensus to delete, but neither was there consensus to keep as a faux-biography when, as several people noted, it was all about one event tied to the charity. WP:BLP is policy. Guy (Help!) 23:10, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Did you read the article? It says what her previous jobs were, who her husband is, where she lives, etc., none of which is appropriate for an article about the charity. The standing consensus from the original deletion request is that it should be kept, and you in effect unilaterally overrode that by this move.—Chowbok ☠ 19:28, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Of course I did. What sources discuss her outside the context of her purported charitable work? And I didn't override anything. There was no consensus to delete, and I did not delete. Guy (Help!) 23:03, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You're gaming the system. The original consensus was that McMann was notable enough to have an article. It's doubtful that this organization is notable. Therefore, all you have to do is wait a little while and nominate this article for deletion. Congratulations, you found a loophole to get an article deleted despite three AfD outcomes.—Chowbok ☠ 04:17, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No, I am not. The AfD addresses only the question of whether we should or should not have an article. This closed as no consensus, there were opinions both ways. The best way to address the concerns of delete !voters is actually to cover this as the event rather than as a faux-biography. Guy (Help!) 13:42, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, look at that. User:Jytdog just deleted the McMann biographical information as offtopic. So you won: you effectively got the article deleted, despite the result of three AfDs. And you did it by abusing your admin powers (by protecting this page from being moved back after you moved it). Shame on you.—Chowbok ☠ 23:43, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

WP:ABF much? Guy (Help!) 10:12, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No, not much. Just when it's warranted.—Chowbok ☠ 10:49, 13 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per WP:BLP1E and the discussion at the various AfD debates, which showed support for an article but no consensus for a biography as such. Guy (Help!) 22:44, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
oppose this content is much more appropriate under the name of the charity. Jytdog (talk) 22:55, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it is now. Cute.—Chowbok ☠ 23:45, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support: Per my discussion on Oshwah's talk page: The issue of BLP1E and refactoring were both discussed and frankly, summarily rejected by a large number of editors. By making a unilateral move without any discussion whatsoever, I agree with Chowbok that JzG is attempting to override the result of the previous AfD. JzG has thus far ignored the charity itself was not as notable as the founder herself. I wouldn't go as far as saying "gaming" the system, but the theory as suggested by Chowbok had definitely came to my mind as well. --Cahk (talk) 12:46, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support and also suggest undoing some of the recent refactoring. There's no indication that this foundation was notable, and there was a consensus that McMann was notable enough to overcome BLP1E concerns. The foundation seems, if anything, less notable; the interesting part was McMann defrauding said foundation and using it as a front. SnowFire (talk) 23:20, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support IMO the foundation was not notable in itself and as such, not worthy of a stand-alone entry.. Aloha27 talk 10:56, 18 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support Ten years ago McMann was notable as an inspirational figure. She was touted as a successful fund-raiser. An event she started in one city was copied in 15 other cities. She even had links with another giant with feet of clay: Lance Armstrong.[1] Now, of course, her fame is an embarrassment. It is bad for Wikipedia to airbrush this all away. The undiscussed move of the article on McMann to the name of the foundation was semi-deletion by stealth, and should not have been done. The content on McMann's life should be restored and expanded. -- Toddy1 (talk) 18:27, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support revert undiscussed and clearly controversial move. feminist (talk) 19:26, 30 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support - The move needs to be reverted just for being undiscussed and controversial, but mostly because the founder is the notable topic here. --В²C ☎ 23:04, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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