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Requested move 13 November 2015

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The result of the move request was: Moved to Cato (spy). (non-admin closure) Natg 19 (talk) 04:57, 21 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Cato (American Revolution) → Cato (slave) – I'm a bit torn on this one. On one hand, the proposed title is more concise, clearly communicates that the article's subject is a person, and avoids other confusion: while it would be a nonstandard title, the current title makes me think of Addison's Cato and its influence on the American Revolution.

I can think of two decent points against such a move, though. First, it was not uncommon for North American slaves to be named after figures from antiquity (e.g., Hercules (chef)), so there were probably other slaves named Cato.^[1] Second, it might be considered demeaning to identify him primarily as a slave. Counterpoints: he might be the only notable slave named Cato, and to not call him a slave might be considered a sanitization of the true history.

A third option presents itself: Cato (spy) identifies him by what he was actually notable for. I may be leaning that way, though I won't be unhappy if a good discussion upholds the current title. --BDD (talk) 22:19, 13 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Notes

^ Stono Rebellion says that slave rebellion was led by one Jemmy, also incorrectly(?) referred to as Cato.

Strong Oppose as proposed; The leader of the Stono Rebellion was named "Cato" and was a slave. -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 04:54, 14 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Cato (spy) would work -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 04:58, 14 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Better Cato (American Revolutionary War spy), which would be much more WP:RECOGNIZABLE and helpful. Once an article is parenthetically disambiguated playing ambiguate the disambiguator is of no benefit to readers. Cato (Stono Rebellion) would be a useful redirect for the other Cato. In ictu oculi (talk) 06:29, 14 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Rename to Cato (spy). That is his major historical role. No need to mention the specific conflict he was involved with. Dimadick (talk) 08:07, 14 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Rename to Cato (spy) unless Wikipedia covers some other spy named Cato. Spying is what this gentleman is remembered for, and disambiguating this way will distinguish him from the author of Cato's Letters, not to mention other Catos. 209.211.131.181 (talk) 19:17, 14 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. It seems demeaning for the title to identify him a slave since this is not what his is notable for. "American Revolution" is a bit grandiose. "Spy" or "American Revolutionary War spy" are both fine with me. Fernando Safety (talk) 04:52, 17 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support Cato (spy). Certainly not an American Revolution. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:50, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Rename Cato (spy) as per above. Tiggerjay (talk) 17:53, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Agree with move

I started the article under the title Cato (American Revolution). I just now saw the above discussion and wanted to add that I would have agreed with the change had I noticed the discussion while it was open. Donner60 (talk) 04:36, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Page look-over/rewrite

I'm going to look over this page, check sources and attempt to center it more on Cato than on Mulligan. I'll work in my sandbox so please leave suggestions here. Will probably move chunks to the Mulligan page that aren't already covered there; any discussion on that is welcome. Tomorrow&tomorrow&tomorrow (talk) 17:08, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Tomorrow&tomorrow&tomorrow (talk) 22:37, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Conflating two people named Cato

It appears that the Cato who was a courier for Mulligan and the Cato who was a military veteran are not actually the same person. Shoreranger (talk) 20:23, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Stono Rebellion says that slave rebellion was led by one Jemmy, also incorrectly(?) referred to as Cato.

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