Talk:Catmando

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I'm completely unsure about what the hell this article is supposed to be about!

I think it's fairly clear, and absolutely true... a British registered political party appointed a cat as its co-leader. TSP 10:38, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Monster Raving Loony Party did so, it is a joke political party. It does some crazy stuff.--Welshsocialist (talk) 14:39, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I enjoyed this article, but can you really call a cat a politician since he's unlikely to have any awareness at all of what his role entails? It raises some interesting (as well as potentially libelous, if comparisons with human politicians are made) questions. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Meltingpot (talk • contribs) 11:46, 6 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Meltingpot (talk) 11:59, 6 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

We should not discriminate. A cat can be just as much as a politician as any other being. It would not be libellous to compare a politician to another, and this cat is a politician. Jorgesca (talk) 19:34, 9 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry but I disagree. A cat can't take an active part in the political process, which is what a being has to do in order to be a politician. The only thing he could do (and then not reliably) is walk through the doors to one or other of the "Yes" or "No" lobbies whan a vote is called. Even then he'd be uniquely susceptible to bribes (since all you'd have to do to get his vote is put a plate of fish in one of the lobbies). So no, I don't think a cat can realistically be called a politician.

BTW, there's no picture for him above the article. Has it been taken down now?

Meltingpot (talk) 11:52, 14 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Meltingpot... haven't you just described the behaviour of most politicians? Catmando (that is the proper spelling) was a member, and accepted by all OMRLP members as joint-leader, of an official and properly registered political party, even though Welshsocialist believes the party a joke... perhaps a touch of party-political Conflict of Interest there. No doubt Catmando signed his membership form with a paw-print. Although we could debate his effectiveness as a politician (there are many ineffective politicians), he is no doubt a well-referenced notable animal, among many other notable animals on Wikipedia. Acabashi (talk) 20:07, 19 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Acabashi|Acabashi ineffective politicians at least understand the implications of thier actions (or inactions). What the Monster Raving Loony party thinks is irrelevant to the meaning of the word "politician". I would say him "signed his membership form" by any method is neccercrilly impossible because it implies he understood what he was doing — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.159.254.25 (talk) 19:55, 8 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I also edit Cat Mandu's rival Chief mouser to the treasury, not because it has any hope of being a featured but because it might encourage young people to read more about politics. I don't take it too seriously and do wonder whether a joke warning might be useful.

This page contains material which is kept because the contents are considered humorous. They are not intended, nor should they be used, for any research or serious use.

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JRPG (talk) 16:06, 19 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Title of the article

In the video cited as footnote one Howling Laud Hope makes it quite clear that Catmando is the original and official spelling, therefore should it not be the title of the article? 80.176.135.127 (talk) 18:14, 18 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A fair point. I think that as he is now known under the misinterpreted spelling, and is searched for by such, it is best to keep it as "Cat Mandu", with the caveat as expressed in the article. After all, in a search Wikipedia always comes up near the top of the list and is a first port of call for most. Acabashi (talk) 14:52, 24 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

merge

Amazed this survived an AfD. The content should be merged into the Howling Laud Hope article. The cat hasn't done anything. It is only notable for being HLH's cat and through HLH's actions. Paulbrock (talk) 17:22, 30 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Nationality"

As defined and sourced in the article, Nationality is a trait of an individual person that defines certain legal relationships between the national and the state. Seeing as a cat does not qualify as a person under any legal system, including those of the UK, the cat does not have a nationality in any meaningful sense. --Cú Faoil (talk) 18:56, 12 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Cats have nationality. If you look at a pet passport, they specify the pet's nationality. I make no comment as to the rationality of such, but it's certainly something that our governmental masters have decided to define and record. I can only assume that, as some national veterinary rules differ, there is some different treatment for animals of some countries.

It is not our place to question that, or to extend questions of nationality into ones of citizenship. But they do have a governmentally recorded nationality. Andy Dingley (talk) 23:24, 12 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

FYI I'm a veterinarian. Pet passports are medical records of vaccination and other veterinary treatments that show the country that issued said document. They're an official record of medical history, which by itself has no implications of nationality and does no more to establish it than your vaccination certificate would in your case. Nationality is something that requires personhood as explained in the linked article, and no judicial system on this planet recognizes a personhood of cats. In addition, I see no links to this particular cat's pet passport anywhere in the article, so even if we were to accept your absurd assertion that the pet passport establishes a nationality, your claim would still be unsourced. --Cú Faoil (talk) 01:10, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"FYI I'm a veterinarian. "

So you're going for not only WP:OR and WP:3RR, but personalised proof by authority too. Andy Dingley (talk) 10:36, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Fools rush in where angels fear to tread: Officially, the nationality of the cat (if it were possible for it to have one) would be British, not English (see https://www.gov.uk/types-of-british-nationality ). Comparing my passport with that of Archie, my dog, I see that whereas my passport states 'Nationality: British Citizen', Archie's does not state a nationality at all - it merely states that it was issued in Romania. (I worry about his status, post-Brexit; thankfully he has no dependants on account of his being neutered) (actually, I wouldn't be that disappointed if he had to go back; I'd rather have a labradog). Anyway I suppose all this hinges on whether the infobox is looking for 'Nationality', in the legal sense, which plainly an animal can't have, or 'nationality' in the sense of 'coming from somewhere', which it plainly did for, to paraphrase Eccles, everyone got to come from somewhere.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_officeholder gives no steer as to which of these senses is intended, so given the humorous intent of the article I would ask: 'Which is funnier?' And the answer to that must be to give the cat a nationailty. Or we could be dreary and po-faced about the whole thing and can the article.RedSquirrel (talk) 11:01, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The cat's age

On the article, it states Catmando was born 1995 and died in 2002, aged 17. For Catmando to die aged 17 in 2002 he'd have to be born in 1985. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xander11012 (talk • contribs) 20:28, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Pour thing

R.I.P. He was only seven 😣 24.132.49.31 (talk) 13:49, 14 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose that's the proper 'Loony' form of spelling. Acabashi (talk) 12:35, 15 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Party leader"

The article currently gives the impression that Catmando held some sort of official, legally recognized position in the party ("the only cat ever to have been leader of a political party"), when in fact "party leader" is obviously nothing more than an honorary title. The de facto "leader" of an officially registered political party is its chairman or -woman, and Catmando never served in any such position, as I'm pretty sure British law doesn't allow or recognize animals in official positions of trust. This article definitely does not belong in the category "Leaders of political parties in the United Kingdom" alongside the likes of Arthur Scargill or Nick Griffin. To draw a crude analogy: if Boris Johnson - as a joke or whatever - declared his left shoe to be "co-leader of the Conservative Party", would we have an article about the shoe that calls it a "politician" and categorizes it as a "leader of a political party"? Jah77 (talk) 18:27, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]