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Edizioni Ricordi

Well, this is what they write on their publications: e.g. Butterfly libretto. So why doesn't it lead to them, even at wp:Italian, where it redirects to their more recent popular music branch Edizioni musicali Radio Record Ricordi? I see that "Edizioni" means (the) editions (produced by) Ricordi, whereas "Casa" means the house (of Ricordi), but am I wrong to copy the name of the publisher as written on the publication? Imaginatorium (talk) 14:44, 14 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hence the need for authority control. In the library world, the main source of information is considered to be the title page, not the cover. We're also instructed to be skeptical of the use of the word "edition" (no matter the language). But Wikipedia doesn't always (or often) follow library practice (which in this case would be: Ricordi (Firm)). In the course of over 150 years of existence, they've used a number of names. But their current homepage begins their history by describing themselves as Casa Ricordi: https://www.ricordi.com/en-US/About-us.aspx. - kosboot (talk) 15:59, 14 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Actually Imaginatorium, Kosboot, I think the standard and most reliable source for bibliographic data is the colophon. Anyway, as far as I can see, only the Milan branch of Ricordi has fairly recently started using this silly and pretentious name (surely long after 1904); without a source that gives full details of the corporate structure there's no way of knowing what the company is really called or which part(s) of it is/are responsible for publications. I'd just go with what the source says, as we usually do in Wikipedia – except that here both colophon and title-page give both "G. Ricordi & C." and "G. Ricordi & Co.", which presents a bit of a problem. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 19:42, 16 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Which is why you need authority control for an organization that has been in existence for nearly 200 years. Of course it has changed names over the years. Casa Ricordi is what they choose to call themselves today. - kosboot (talk) 22:44, 16 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I really don't care one whit what they call themselves, but as you can see here that silly and pretentious name is used only by the Milan branch; the branches in Germany and London are called G. Ricordi & Co., with various suffixes to distinguish them. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 23:04, 16 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Far from being "silly" it was typical for many Italian institutions to begin with "Casa....". As for foreign branches, it is probably contractual issues which dictate which names they use. - kosboot (talk) 23:54, 16 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I hadn't spotted the "proper name" inside, so I will use that. I must say that if Ricordi only started using the "Casa" appellation in the last few decades(?) it seems quite odd to write "By the 1840s and throughout that decade, Casa Ricordi had grown..." Imaginatorium (talk) 06:55, 19 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"in the world"

Does this make sense? "Its classical repertoire represents one of the important sources in the world through its publishing..." Perhaps the person who wrote this simply wanted to write: "Its classical repertoire is an important source through its publications of the work..." If no one objects I'll change it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.11.99.75 (talk) 13:06, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]