Talk:Carlos Beltrán/Archive 1

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http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=241017118: "Beltran broke the record set by Jeffrey Leonard and tied by Juan Gonzalez in 1996 for consecutive postseason games with a home run." Before you change it back again, find another guy with homers in 5 straight games. Jonpin 14:58, Oct 19, 2004 (UTC)

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Anybody remember how close the contract offers the Astros and the Mets offered Beltran? I remember all last off-season how Beltran said he would consider all the offers and decide based on what team had a better chance of winning. I think the final difference was about $10 million and one year length of contract. The Astros had their offer all set, and then the Mets come back after their offer, and include stuff about him having his own suite on road games and a no-trade clause. (of course, we didn't hear this until after he already signed with the Mets) Shortly after he signed with NYM, Astros hall-of-fame broadcaster Milo Hamilton gave an interview on San Antonio's Ticket 760 radio station. He reported that even though Beltran said his decision wasn't all about the money, when the Astros and Mets both had their offers on the table, Beltran didn't sway over to the Met's side until they offered the no-trade clause and his own suite. This went directly against how he said he would decide. As Milo Hamilton put it, (this is a paraphrase, of course) "If it's about the money, that's fine, say it's about the money. Don't say it was because of the no-trade clause and the suite." The clause and suite were afterthoughts.

As it turns out anyway, the Houston offer would've been more cash in Beltran's pocket. In New York, you have state and city income tax, employment tax, and a few more taxes you don't have in Texas. His net pay I think would've been greater here. JRed 19:14, August 9, 2005 (UTC)

2006 NLCS

Unless anyone objects, I'm removing the reference about him ending the 2006 NLCS, as no one else has anything like it. P.Shack 21:25, 21 October 2006 (UTC) Okay, I'm removing it, as it seems to be potentially libious. P.Shack 21:25, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

I've noticed that the fact Beltran struck out has been going in and out of this article for a few days. It seems to me that no other article mentions specific strike outs, whether to end a series or not. Terrence Long's article doesn't mention he struck out with the bases loaded to lose by one run and to end the 2003 ALDS - similar situation. But I guess there are more Met-haters than Atheltic-haters.

What I would do is leave the reference to the strike out for a couple of weeks to avoid this "revert war" and remove it when it's not so fresh in everyone's mind. A strike out, even one in a situation like that, is not something memorable or notable in a career like Carlos Beltran's. He will have enough to put in this article that this strike out will not even be slightly worth noting. Even the Met-haters should realize that.Ags412 08:35, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

I am a big Met fan, and have been since 1962. I see nothing wrong with noting his strike out. It adds to the depth of the drama we call baseball. Here's a guy who hit 11 home runs in 22 games, but then ends 2006 on an ignomious note. Hey, it happens. (FWIW, I place the blame of the loss on the weak hitting the rest of the game, and the weak 9th inning relief effort). FWIW, I will note that Willie McCovey's out to end the 1962 World Series is included in his article. (So is Mickey Owen's third-strike-passed ball).

Slight tangent -- as for comparing the article to Terrence Long's, I'd bet that if he had done that in 2006 it would be listed -- baseball players, for the most part, get in-depth treatment only over the last few years -- compare the difference in size of the Willie McCovey article to Beltran's. (And McCovey was a Hall of Famer!). Or, look at the anemic article on Willie Randolph -- that six time all star has a grand total of six sentences on his 18-season playing career. -- Sholom 03:52, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Apparently Mets fans are so embarrassed by Carlos Beltran's NLCS performance they do not even want it known. Pathethic how Mets fans keep deleting it. ----lindell005 ---- June 13, 2007

I couldn't care less about the Mets, this is the first article that puts a ridiculous ammount of attention in a strikeout that had nothing to do with the outcome of the series, what made the Mets lose was Yadier Molina's two-run homerun not the fact that Beltran struckout, the only thing he could do by that point was save his team from elimination if he couldn't then though luck but he isn't responsible for the loss. -凶 15:19, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

But wouldn't you say it was of notable interest? A man (Carlos Beltran) that seems to destroy the Cardinals, for every team he plays on, even in the previous games blasting home runs. It would be very interesting to note how the bases were loaded at the bottom of the 9th. A single base hit could have tied the game. The Mets were so close to the World Series, and the article makes out to be no big deal. Lindell005 15:24, 13 June 2007 (UTC)lindell005

No man you are missing my point here, I have nothing aganist the Cardinals but lets be fair this doesn't qualify as notable, the additions are being justified by saying what "could have been", that qualifies as speculation by adding this we are basically adding Trivia like putting the line "If Beltran conected a single on this play, the Mets could have tied the game", there is no real justification for its addition and that is the reason there was an edit war over it a few months back. -凶 15:33, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

I respectfully disagree, but I am too lazy to care. Do what you want.Lindell005 05:43, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Playoff acomplishments

I can't find any mention of him being the players with the smallest margin of at-bats between homeruns in baseball history anywhere in here, can somebody with the accurate number of at-bats between Homeruns add it, it is after all his most brilliant acomplishment. -Dark Dragon Flame 01:10, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Never mind should have read it better it is stated in there but in a different context. -Dark Dragon Flame 01:24, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

"Not notable?"

There's all this stuff about how wonderful his 2006 season was. But when the season was on the line, and they needed him the most, he failed. He watched the season go by on strike 3. How is that "not notable"? Baseball Bugs 12:45, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Read above. -凶 01:19, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

I did. It belongs. It was a dramatic moment that ended the Mets' season. Sports are about success and failure. It is a verifiable fact that he struck out looking to end the season. There's nothing "libious" (whatever that is) about pointing it out. McCovey ended the Giants' 1962 season with a line drive out, which is covered. Babe Ruth ended the Yankees 1926 season with a caught stealing, which is covered. And maybe this year Beltran will get the Big Bang and win it for the Mets, and that will also be notable. If the strikeout is not notable, why is "the catch" notable? Beltran's failure to swing the bat influenced the outcome of the game. "The catch" had no influence whatsoever on the outcome of the game... and it's the outcome of the game that matters, not the ESPN highlight reel. Baseball Bugs 01:38, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

That must be deleted before someone complains of "Fancruft". The article is suppsed to be an overview of his career not a list of What could have happened if Beltran... or did you see how great that catch was... -凶 01:46, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Is it "fancruft" to discuss McCovey and Ruth's failings as well as their successes? Are those failures "not notable"? I'm guessing you're just a Mets fan that can't stand being reminded of the fact that he stood there and watched the season go by when his team needed him the most. It's similar to the "M&M'S" of the Twins: Mauer, Morneau and Santana, who won the "trifecta" of awards last year... and it meant nothing, because the Twins flopped in the post-season. Winning is what matters. If the Indians had come back to win Game 1 and/or the Series in 1954, Mays' catch would mean nothing, just as Chavez's catch in last year's final NLCS game meant nothing. Baseball Bugs 02:06, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Again I couldn't care less for the Mets, his at bat and catch meant nothing, they were not siggnificant the Mets were already doomed, the only reason it was still there is because I haven't tackled the article to get it to Good Article, wich I am expecting to do after I am done with Héctor Lavoe, you can expect the same in Iván Rodríguez, Roberto Alomar, Mike Lowell, Felipe López and Javier Vázquez regarless of in what team they have played. --凶 02:22, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

To say that his strikeout meant nothing is ridiculous... unless you think the outcome of the final game of the NLCS itself meant nothing. These guys are being paid big bucks (your bucks, if you go to games) to do something, not to do nothing. Baseball Bugs 02:27, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

In tonight's All-Star Game, Ichiro Suzuki stretched a triple into an inside the park home run. A little later, Beltran "shrank" a possible inside the park home run to a triple by failing to hustle at first, after the ball was hit. I'm detecting a trend here. Baseball Bugs 02:44, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Edit request from Gtsting77, 28 July 2011

Carlos Beltran was traded to the Giants.

Gtsting77 (talk) 05:22, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

There is already a statement in the article saying that they have reached a tentative agreement for the trade. Is there a Reliable Source that says that the trade has finalized? Jnorton7558 (talk) 07:19, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/6808543/carlos-beltran-accepts-trade-san-francisco-giants-says-goodbye-new-york-mets--Jdrouskirsh (talk) 07:38, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Not yet: "A Mets source told ESPNNewYork.com's Adam Rubin the deal will be made official Thursday." —Bagumba (talk) 09:04, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Players with no-trade clauses cannot be traded for a period of 24 hours after a deal is reached. It's a rule they put in place to protect the player from making a rash decision. I believe Beltran is permitted to sign off on the trade sometime today or tonight. Kjscotte34 (talk) 10:58, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 January 2020

The former Manager of the New York Mets 209.191.13.243 (talk) 21:40, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:44, 15 January 2020 (UTC)