Talk:Carl Gustaf m/45

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Removed reference to The Dark Knight movie

I've removed the sentence "The M76 variant was briefly used by the Joker in The Dark Knight." from the Manufacturers and users section. First it doesn't belong there and second, no other weapon (Desert Eagle, Colt Peacemaker) have list of movies they were used in. --ReconTanto (talk) 06:49, 17 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A few corrections

1. The proper name, according to the [the manual is Gustaf 2. also, the photo caption about firing position is incorrect according to the illustrations in the manual 68.0.144.113 (talk) 22:06, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The "manual" link in the previous post is dead. However, having served in the Swedish Army with the kpist m/45B as my main weapon, I can vouch for the veracity of the comment in the caption. Holding on to the clip may cause it to detach when firing full-auto since the kpist, while having negligible recoil at the shoulder, nevertheless has a strong tendency to buck and needs to be held down firmly. Swedishsax (talk) 17:40, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Gustaf/Gustav

Which is the correct name of the weapon: Carl Gustaf or Carl Gustav?? --Damërung 14:46, 29 April 2007 (UTC)-- (answer)[reply]

In English it's Gustav. Misspellings and other languages may use Gustaf, though. Geoff B 15:22, 29 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, Gustaf would probably be more accurate as the name derives from the [[1]] factory that produced them. The fact that this spelling is an ancient one shouldn't really matter. 85.225.24.190 (talk) 21:13, 20 December 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Both spellings are in use in Sweden today, though the pronunciation is always Gustav. Gustaf is considered a more archaic form, but also a more upper-class one. In this case I would lean more towards Gustaf. Note, however, that the weapon is never referred to as a "Carl Gustaf" within the Swedish armed forces, it is always a "kpist." "Carl Gustaf" refers only to the Carl Gustaf recoilless rifle. Swedishsax (talk) 17:33, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Couple of very questionable statements:

less recoil due to straight blowback: With the exception of HK MP5, early Thompsons with the Blish lock (later ones abandoned it as superfluess), Viller Perosa and some deKiralay designs which are retarded blowback, Almost all pistol caliber SMGs are straight blowback, so the statement (if true) would apply to almost all SMGs.

In practice, the low recoil felt is partly due to firing a pistol round in a gun which is much heavier than a pistol, and variation in felt recoil between different SMGs depends partly on the weight of the gun, and partly on the proportion of the recoil energy which occurs as a single impulse as the bolt strikes the end cap at the end of its travel, rather than being spread over a longer period of time in compressing the recoil spring. some additional reduction in felt recoil can also be achieved by friction from a rough chamber, though this does not appear to have been a design feature of this gun (it was used by Kimball in .30 carbine and .22 hornet pistols, Colt in the .38 special version of the 1911, and later Makarovs, chambered for 9mm P).

The reason for the magazine being wider at the back than it is at the front, is to allow the quite strongly tapered (around 0.5mm total taper in 19mm of case)9mmp rounds to be accomodated in a straight column magazine, rather than a curved one (e.g. sterling / patchett SMG mag is curved) If a straight magazine is used without the tapering, there is a tendency for the bottom cartridges to tip the rear end of the follower down, and for the front end of the top cartridge to drop down - not conducive to reliable feeding. As far as I know, it has nothing to do with reliability in dust (hardly a problem in much of Sweden, or Ireland!)

Early Carl Gustaf guns were set up with open mag jaws to accept the drum mags from its predecessor the Suomi, and this also allowed use of the four column "Coffin" mags.

Does anyone have a ref for the Carl Gustaf mag being used as the basis for the mag on the Czech 23 and 24 SMGs? This is the first time I've seen reference to it. a time line would be interesting in that regard, as the Czech gun was pretty sdoon after WW11. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.167.178.132 (talk) 15:10, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Update:

I followed the link to Swedish SMGs. The guy there is wrong about reason for mags being tapered being due to reliability in cold or sand. All straight SMG mags for 9mmP are tapered due to need to accomodate tapered cases in s straight line (ref: Allsop Popelinsky et al, Brassey's essential guide to military small arms) this includes the STEN. Main reasons for STEN mag problems was the taper down from double column, to a single column at the feed lips, and difficulty in cleaning debris and condensation out of the STEN mags. I note that the late model Carl Gustaf mag feeds from alternate sides, this is hardly a new feature, and was used on the Mauser 1893 rifles (adopted by Sweden in 1896). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.167.178.132 (talk) 15:34, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There is a reference to the Soviet PPSH-41. I gather that a PPSH-41 is a rip-off, of a Suomi submachine gun, so the Suomi should be referenced instead. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.228.198.232 (talk) 19:21, 29 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Changed incorrect end year of use

The article said the M45 was the standard weapon of the Swedish Defence Forces until late 1990s. This is untrue. It was standard until 1965. Between 1965 and 1986 the AK4 was standard, then replaced by the present standard weapon AK5. /Swede

Depending on rank and which branch you served in, standard issue weapons varied (and probably still do; e.g, I'm fairly sure officers still have sidearms). While it could well be that infantry privates didn't use the kpist after 1965, much of the artillery, for example, still used the kpist at least in the mid-eighties. I know this, because I was there, and I did. (Dang, how I hate it when people stroppily declare something to be "incorrect"... And then it's they themselves who are wrong.) --CRConrad (talk) 00:05, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Improvised or DIY Carl Gustavs could be added to the article

One example of homemade carl Gustavs:

Homemade guns used in Palestinian attacks on Israelis Low-cost ‘Carl Gustav’ submachine guns made in small metal shops used in many recent shootings

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/14/homemade-guns-carl-gustav-used-in-palestinian-attacks-on-israelis — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.53.138.18 (talk) 14:10, 14 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It's not really clear if there's any connection between the Carl Gustav m/45 and the so-called "Carlo" improvised sub-machine gun. See pictures in he:קרלו (תת-מקלע). The Carl Gustav has hardly been used around. A speculation I heard is that Carlo comes from Arabic: كارلوجستاف. Tzafrir (talk) 15:21, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It seems those home made guns for some reason (which may or may not be reasonable) are called Carl Gustav, but from the pictures I have seen there is little to none resemblance neither in appearance nor function (other than very general ones, like being able to fire a bullet) so unless we expand the article with a trivia-section I do not see where that would fit in. BP OMowe (talk) 22:11, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Magazine filler

Alas, I have yet to find free pictures showing the operation, but some excellent photos are to be found on Göta Vapen. BP OMowe (talk) 23:08, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]