Talk:Cardiff Rift

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I was thinking either this: 200px|left
Or perhaps a screen shot of the ground cracking or the energy streaming into the top of the TARDIS from Boom Town? --GracieLizzie 00:10, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Boom Town would seem a better illustration, as you can actually see the position and effects of the rift. --Aderack 08:08, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Other Rifts

Why just Wales? It seems the Doctor gives a similar explanation to another psychic's gifts in Image of the Fendahl, although he uses the words 'time fissure'. It's possible this is also a Rift - and they are quite commonplace across the universe, not just Earth.

Move

I've been this page from the fanish term "Whoniverse" — It's generally refered to as "The Rift" and sow e can avoid the un-encyclopaedic term. MatthewFenton (talk • contribs • count • email) 13:17, 18 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Naming conventions (definite and indefinite articles at beginning of name) disagrees. Please discuss further. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 22:34, 19 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Several users have already moved this page, you also complain about "unneeded disambig." - I advise you to revert. MatthewFenton (talk • contribs • count • email) 22:36, 19 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

All of them have moved without clear consensus. Your advice is noted, but I decline primarily because I have seen absolutely no discussion or agreement on the matter or justification under any guideline or policy apart from "I don't like the term Whoniverse". The encyclopedic or un-encyclopedic nature of the term has already been determined for the moment at the AFD for Whoniverse. I do complain about unneeded disambiguation, but in this case it's not unneeded. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 22:45, 19 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As a possible way out, I suggest that since the Rift is now primarily a Torchwood phenomenon, Rift (Torchwood) might be a solution that will satisfy people. But please, let's get some consensus on this before moving it without some kind of clear, legitimate basis. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 22:52, 19 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't like "Whoniverse" being used for disambiguation either. I've no problem with the Whoniverse article however. How about Cardiff Rift? --GracieLizzie 22:59, 19 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Honestly, I don't really care in this case as long as it's something we all agree on and it doesn't run afoul of that particular naming convention guideline (which I find eminently sensible). But it should be arrived at with consensus, and the survey below should not be confused with a straight up vote, since voting is evil. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 01:45, 20 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was not moved. If you can agree on another term, whether it be Cardiff Rift, Rift (Doctor Who) or Rift (Torchwood), try relisting. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 03:49, 27 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rift (Whoniverse) → The Rift — Whoniverse is simple a fannish term, and the disambig can be avoided as it has been simply referred to as "The Rift". MatthewFenton (talk • contribs • count • email) 23:00, 19 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Survey

Add * '''Support''' or * '''Oppose''' on a new line followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~.

Oppose - proposed name does not conform to Wikipedia:Naming conventions (definite and indefinite articles at beginning of name). --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 23:05, 19 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per khaosworks and per Whoniverse CfD discussion's consensus regarding the validity of the term.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 00:31, 20 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The Rift should redirect to Rift.
Oppose per khaosworks — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 20:35, 20 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - I'm not thrilled with "Whoniverse" either, but...per khaosworks --Brian Olsen 21:08, 20 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - I'm not thrilled with "Whoniverse" either, but what's the alternative? Per khaosworks --Serge 04:50, 21 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - there are other "Rift"s and "The Rift"s in science fiction. Perhaps Rift (Doctor Who) would be a more appropriate locations. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 17:34, 24 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Add any additional comments:

This should not be a binary choice - the proposed name does not conform to Wikipedia naming conventions. More choices need to be given. In addition, fannish does not make it illegitimate as a means of disambiguation (see Buffyverse). --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 23:05, 19 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

See my comments above. I think Cardiff Rift or something else more specific would be better. --GracieLizzie 01:28, 20 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps Rift (Doctor Who) would be more appropriate as the primary location, even though it's also in Torchwood. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 17:37, 24 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Or maybe vice versa - Rift (Torchwood), since it's way more important to Torchwood, and probably wouldn't have been worthy of an article based solely on its Doctor Who appearances. --Brian Olsen 01:49, 25 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'd support a move either to Cardiff Rift or Rift (Torchwood). —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 22:04, 25 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The reason I've suggested Cardiff Rift as it is unspecific enough to just mean this rift and also if we put it at Rift (Doctor Who) or Rift (Torchwood) I can imagine it being constantly moved back-and-forth between the two. --GracieLizzie 11:03, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Widening rift

The Torchwood website suggests that, despite the Doctor's efforts in sealing the Rift, it still increased in both size and frequency following the events of Boom Town[1]. I think this information should be added, but as a Torchwood comment on a Doctor Who episode, I'm not sure which section to put it in. Daibhid C 23:42, 3 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Red kryptonite?

Why is red kryptonite included as a see also? I get the other types of rifts from other fictional universes, but... I didn't want to just delete it in case there was something I was missing. --Brian Olsen 19:36, 22 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, someone added the Star Trek Nexus... so I added the Charmed Nexus and the Buffyverse Hellmouth which are the Rift's two contemporaries as explanations for the weird happenings of their respective locations... and then Red Kryptonite was added because it's another example of a plot generator. I'm not clinging to it, just someone added a See Also section so I attempted expanding it.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 01:23, 23 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The "Cardiff Rift" sounds a lot like the phenomenon from Robert Holdstock's novel Where Time Winds Blow 203.221.18.177 12:49, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Title

I see this discussion has been had before, and I agree that The Rift alone is a poor title. However, the current one is... meh. Rather fanboyish and trivial-sounding, as was brought up in previous discussions. Although the existance and usage of Buffyverse is a converse example, I seem to recall that being used in official contexts and/or by Joss Whedon, which isn't the case here (again, that's from memory, so I could be wrong). Cardiff Rift was my first thought upon seeing the article, and I see that that was suggested as well. It should be discussed first, however, so here we are.--SB | T 19:42, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Doctor Who universe" is pretty much agreed over "Whoniverse" at the project now. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 19:49, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'd much prefer Cardiff Rift, or Rift (Doctor Who universe) over the location we have it at now which I too think sounds too fannish. I don't have a problem with the Whoniverse article, but I've always said that I don't think we should have it as an article suffix. --GracieLizzie 20:11, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'd prefer Cardiff Rift as well, both because of my dislike for the term "Whoniverse" and because it's more descriptive. Looks like a consensus to me: I'll move the page soon. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 21:14, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The page is moved and the double redirects fixed. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 21:30, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cardiff Rift is better, yeah. And yeah, Joss Whedon does use the term Buffyverse because he's very active on fan forums.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 21:01, 14 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Stolen Earth

The events of that episode needs adding to the Doctor Who paragraph. The rift has a pivotal role (with SJA's Mr Smith) in contacting the Doctor. Digifiend (talk) 11:03, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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