Talk:Cardcaptors

Moving

After seeing that table of plot differences added, I felt the need to just at least start this article.. which would promote a community incentive to expand it and write it properly. ...But I also have a huge problem with the content in the table. It's not necessarily properly written but also has POV. I'd hate to just erase the whole thing for all the effort done, but I can't think of a proper way to reorganize the information off the top of my head. --Crisu 02:45, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Since there are full English versions of Cardcaptor Sakura, Cardcaptors really isn't the "English version", but rather a different version. Splitting it to it's own article seems like a good idea, as this can be expanded on. -- Ned Scott 03:03, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Well the full dub is called Cardcaptors, too, I think. This article should be about that full dub with a subsection devoted to the US adaptation that most of us know about. --Crisu 03:11, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Well i think it should refer to the dub at a whole. And how it was shown in all english-speaking countries. Lest we want misinterptation. So i agree with Crisu. I have altered the table to try and include some balance, but we really need to use some non flame sites to get better infomation. --Dynamo_ace Talk

I'm not sure, but I think there have been two English dubs, and then of course Cardcaptors having a North American edit. But in addition to that, Geneon has released all the episodes on DVD, uncut, under the original title, with English subtitles [1] (must.. resist urge to buy them all... must save money.. ). So, while not a "dub", it's still an official English release. :D -- Ned Scott 07:21, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh yeah, I guess we have the Animax translation now, so the wording can be adjusted a bit. The Animax section can stay in the CCS article for now, I think, since it's fairly brief. But CC should stand on its own because it has gone through widespread broadcast and a large merchanising line. (And you don't want to buy that DVD; you want this.) --Crisu 16:10, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Removed Incorrect Info

I removed the text stating that The Canadian version started at episode 8 because I know for a fact that earler episodeds were aired.70.48.174.30 23:19, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Were they aired first though? And if so, was it the first time around or on repeats? Shiroi Hane 00:44, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

what to do with "the other article"

Here's what's left of "the other article" List of Cardcaptors (US) media. Not sure if any of that should be merged or remain as an article (and if so, what should link to it?). -- Ned Scott 05:29, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

I think it needs to die. o.o It can come back when we get a real "Cardcaptors media information" article ready, but for now.. it looks like we can just merge the paragraph about DVD releases in this main article and possibly the DVD titles. The episode titles are already on the CCS media info page. --Crisu 06:56, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Sounds about right to me. -- Ned Scott 08:05, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

We already have such an article on its media done, we don't need another one. It was another destabilation attempt which we thwarted but can't we just put on semi-protection on these pages and remove 50% of the vandalism and\or flaming? --Dynamo_ace Talk

Semi-protection is only permitted to those articles that are vandalized multiple times (like 10+) daily (see WP:RFP). Otherwise the admins will just tell you to manually revert it yourself; their goal is to keep articles freely open. --Crisu 16:57, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Problem is that it doesn't account for articles which are "ultra-senstive" like this one, which would be prone to vandlism due to its content.--Dynamo_ace Talk

I don't really see any more significant vandal traffic on this article than I do on most of the ones I watch. -- Ned Scott 20:19, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Citations

No sources are cited on this article, but it shouldn't be hard to find them. I noticed some "differences between dub" info was removed from the main Cardcaptor Sakura article, but that doesn't seem to be a big deal since we have this article now. But it made me realize that we haven't actually cited anything. We can probably find some reviews and such for the stuff about sexuality relationships and stuff, then just cite episodes themselves for the more obvious edits. If anyone has any particularly notable reviews (from a well known magazine or something to that extent) that we can use then that would be really helpful. (we can use lesser known reviews as well, but it's good to have at least one really strong reference, then you can have some others ones to help show what is a common view.) -- Ned Scott 18:43, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Cardcaptor Reedemer will be a good source. However, i would advise against citing things from a US site, since it was "highly affected" there. --Dynamo_ace Talk

Controversy

I made a mild attempt to balance out the controversy section, but obviously if anyone else can improve it greatly, go right ahead. --ShortShadow 05:38, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Well that's good enough for a neutral opion. Thank you --Dynamo_ace Talk

I wish there was a way to cite this a bit better. It all just looks like an opinionated page. -Anon

The problem is what to cite, we can't cite US sites because some have not got the right facts. So if your talking about why i reverted the removal of the info about pro-CC sites (which i am thinking of doing again). Its because without it the article is at risk of being unbalanced. --Dynamo_ace Talk

There are glaring errors in this part. It says that the Kids WB only aired the "First season" but it aired all the dubbed episodes atleast once. Because I have most of the ending episodes on VHS. Sangui 19:33, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Dubbed in order?

Correct me if I'm wrong but I've heard that the English dub was never designed to be played in the same order as the Japanese one? E.g. Episode #8 was meant to be the first episode in the English dub. Wouldn't this mean that the televisions studios that played this series in the original order, wouldn't have made much sense to the viewers due to the plot & dialogue changes? - 202.180.71.20 07:47, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

It did get played in order on its first run in the UK and most other English speaking countries. Reference:CCR. --Dynamo_ace 09:39, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

By in order, you mean starting with episode #8, right? It states in the article that in certain countries it was ran in the original Japanese order (#1 to #70). Wouldn't this of confused their viewers? - 202.180.71.20 11:24, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

I meant starting with Episode 1 and finishing at Episode 70 (Which most countries did broadcast more or less). That's what i consider the proper order.

Question is, should there be a special rule on this article to state that this is the real fact (In a similar way to the Jedi Exile article on Wookiepedia) --Dynamo_ace 15:03, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

It only started at episode 8 in the U.S because they thought that it wouldn't appeal to boys unless there was a strong male lead. They did the same with Pokemon remember, started with the episode on bored the the St Anne because that was more action packed then the orginal episode 1. Wild ste 15:50, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

If the latter part of your statement is true, then the whole anime distibation thing in the west becomes more concerning. Since it could mean that nearly every anime broadcast in the US has been poorly distributed.

Wikipedia wise, it may mean a large reassessment over all anime articles on Wikipedia may be needed to show the bigger picture concerning anime distibuation.

And then, there is the need for justice against the companies who poorly distribute. Its unfair, and possibly even racist to ruin someone else's product just because it is Japanese or whatever its country is. Regardless of what the product is and the reasons be. It is the developer's and dubbers choice to decide what goes into the animé, not the publishers and distributers. --Dynamo_ace 16:32, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Little or no Face fault's?

Why the hell did they edit out most of the Face Faults in the english dub?!? They weren't mature. I understand that they edited out most of the Japanese Culture they could because America could not understand about it, but why the Face Faults as well?!? That damn well pissed me off!!! Plus, they were like the Anime cousins of the Facial Changes in the Warner Brothers Cartoons (well, whatever i was talking about earlier, it was not fair that the english dub got rid of the face faults)! P.S. I have bad Grammer, but don't be mean about it, just think about what the intended purpose for the comment. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.45.100.184 (talk) 03:19, 22 April 2007 (UTC).

Is there going to be another season of cardcaptors?

I understand alot of parents didnt approve of this series but its very cool once u get to see it.I really wanted it to air again.I have only seen some of the episodes and id like to see more.I really wanted there to be another season so i could see what will happen to sakura and shaoran's relationship procides, and to see if any other weird things happen.It was a good tv show and i wish tht it could air again,or air another season!Well thank you for listening to my coment i hope to hear if theres a way to get it to be aired again. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.25.214.154 (talk • contribs).

No other season, but there is another movie that continues the story. -- Ned Scott 06:41, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, Tsubasa Chronicles goes into more detail about Sakura's and Li's relationship. It's also by Clamp. --User:adbelliveau13:46, 13 August, 2007

Except Sakura and Sayoran in Tsubasa: Reservoir Chronicle are not Sakura Kinomoto (Avalon) and Sayoran Li (Li Showron) from Cardcaptor Sakura / Cardcaptors, but are alternate world versions of the same characters. Also, on the topic of the movies, Cardcaptors: The Movie is simply Cardcaptor Sakura: The Movie in new packaging and using the English dub as default (following the Cardcaptors series storyline) instead of the original (and more appropriate to the animation) Japanese dub; and Cardcaptor Sakura: The Movie 2 - The Sealed Card, which was made to follow the end of the uncut Cardcaptor Sakura anime as a side story of Sakura's and Sayoran's brief reunion before they were permanently reunited at the end of the Cardcaptor Sakura: Master of the Clow Graphic Novel series.GloryQuestor (talk) 00:59, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

One more plot difference?

I know it's been quite a time since I last watched any of CC, but, isn't their one more major plot differance where relationships are concerned? In the japanese anime of Cardcaptor Sakura there tons of mentions of the relationship between Clow and Yue, and I'm pretty sure that it's mostly cut out of the Cardcaptors dub. As I mentioned, however, it's been years since I've seen Cardcaptors, so can anyone confirm or disprove this differance between the two series? 3loodlust (talk) 17:25, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Sakura does pretty overtly posit that Yue loved Clow (though I don't think she indicates whether she means it platonically) in the original, and it's fairly clear in a less overt way that there was a strong emotional tie. That much is definitely accurate. I have no idea what the dub did with that though. I have a hunch your recollection is probably accurate, but that's really not enough, unfortunately. - Vianello (talk) 04:27, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Changes

Hi, I'm one of the persons who changed the Article into a less, I dunno, I guess, "biased" one when it was first cited for its questionable Neturality. This is just question, but why was it changed from my Revision? 71.166.88.185 (talk) 06:01, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Can you point to something specific that was changed or undone? Your most recent edit seemed fine to me.-- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 12:49, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Honestly, I read it again, and I recognized some of the stuff I wrote was still there, so I can't complain. I would seriously have to ransack my Floppydiscs to notice any other changes its been so long. 71.166.88.185 (talk) 21:10, 13 October 2008 (UTC)