Talk:Canoe sprint

Undue tag

Jamesmcmahon0 added an undue tag to this article. What, specifically, is the problem? Problems cannot be addressed if they are not specifically described. --Cornellier (talk) 20:29, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi, sorry, I should have started a discussion here when I added the tag, my bad.

Whilst I think sections on each discipline could be balanced a little better, (marathon is about 3x longer than slalom) the main reason I added the tag was the article seems to refer to America a large amount of the time. Jamesmcmahon0 (talk) 17:07, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

That's not really what the undue weight tag is for; I've taken the liberty of replacing it with a globalize tag, which is closer to your intended meaning. ∴ ZX95 ^[discuss] 02:04, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Formatting

The text is "wrapped" around the small square Table of Context box in order to avoid ugly gaping holes of blank space. Try alternatives yourself and see the effect . There is currently an editor going about making a mess of carefully formatted articles to satisfy some obscure personal agenda. --Wetman 21:38, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

This is not obscure or personal, it was the overwhelming feeling of the VfD discussion for this template. The whitespace generated by a four item Table of Contents is is no way a problem for the layout of any article, let alone this one. There is a reason for the default TOC being as it is, if most people found it ugly it certainly wouldn't be the default. There is no way TOCright or TOCleft are justified for a four item TOC. Saying "every sensible adult" would support its use on these pages is certainly not the case, most sensible adults were and are against its use except as a last resort for long TOCs, and the majority of sensible adults continue using the default TOC in their articles. If you wish to go on abusing this template by using it where it is not remotely neccesary, you may be turning those who voted to keep it as a last resort off it altogether. Joe D (t) 21:33, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

C for Canada or Canoe?

Does the classification C stand for Canoe or Canda? An anon changed the article to say it was Canada on 5 Jan. but another anon claimed on the helpdesk email list that it was actuall Canoe. Please resolve this potential inaccuracy. --maru (talk) contribs 05:49, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

I haven't found an official expansion of the C designation anywhere. The C-1, C-2, and such events use what is termed in the US a "canoe" as opposed to a "kayak"; in most of the world the term "canoe" covers both of those. What Americans call a "canoe" is differentiated from a kayak by specifying that it is an "open canoe" or a "Canadian canoe". Hope that helps. -- Jonel | Speak 13:09, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Yes, the C in C-1, C-2 ect. does in fact stand for Canada and is often mistaken for canoe. (White Beard 21:55, 8 April 2006 (UTC))

But what about the Canadian C-4 versus the International C-4 ? It only really works if its Canadian Canoe 4, or International Canoe 4, not Canadian Canada (or Canadian) 4. And WC isn't war canadian (or canada), its war canoe 15.

I had a look at the ICF Flatwater Racing Competition Rules, and there the categories are defined as kayak and Canadian. So "K" for kayak and "C" for Canadian. See the Definitions page. --Stefan29 13:13, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

While searching that rule book, I counted 20.5 Canoes, and 1.5 Canadian (.5 = Canadian Canoe). Still, overwhelmingly called a Canoe. Once again, Canadian C-4 and ICF C-4 dont work if the C stands for canadian. Plus, Canadian 4 refers to a boat that is shorter than an ICF C2, and still has a width restriction.

Also see the Rules Defining the Boats70.71.136.63 17:24, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Indeed, not even the rule book is consistent. It's an imperfect world. Stefan29 12:02, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

I have been around flat water kayak/canoe racing since the spring of 2001. My son has competed nationally and internationally. I have had the honor of becoming acquainted with some of the best athletes in the United States, even though in the U.S. it is a very small sport. To the point, we should not confuse the categories of competition (men's kayak, men's canoe, women's kayak) with the classes of boats such as K-1 and C-1. The C does in fact stand for canoe and it is recognized as such around the world. --PaddleMaster 01:23, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Ausable River Marathon.

The Ausable River Marathon is 125 kilometres, not miles, as stated in the text.

The website for that race claims that it is 120 miles long. Also, looking at google maps, just driving from the start to the finish is 157km (98 miles)so I would assume traveling by water would add some significant distance. 67.255.31.227 (talk) 14:31, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Having personally done the race twice, I can confirm that it is approximately 118 miles by GPS including several shortcuts. The "official" course is almost exactly 120 miles long. Too bad that the section about marathon racing got ripped out and all other pages about canoe racing just redirect back here. There are more types of canoe racing than just ICF skinnyboats! 67.249.226.229 (talk) 15:33, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Canoeing or Kayaking????

Who ever wrote the following bit: "…as equipment and paddling technique are very similar, if not identical" needs to be shot! So says a previous world champion of kayaking, :)

The equipment and technique are completely different. Open/closed canoes, sitting/kneeling position, single/double paddle, immensely different technique, need I go on? Similar in some respects, but certainly not the same in any respect!

This needs to be changed to something along to lines of: "...the two sports, although similar utilize different boats, equipment and technique.

Actually, I was the one who wrote that... I will delete the whole phrase, as it is a bit pointless now the article already exists in its present form for more than three years. The phrase actually referred to the similarity between sprint and marathon kayaking (and I didn't mean the extreme marathon races over x00 km which were added later to the article, but the 35-42 km races in boats that resemble sprint boats). It goes without saying that there is a big difference between kayaking and canoeing, which seems to be what you are referring to. And apart from that, I doubt that there is a lot of marathon racing being done in the canadians/canoes used for sprinting? Stefan29 (talk) 21:21, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Actually, there is quite a lot of marathon canoeing done in the canoes used for sprinting, by which I assume you mean high kneel canoes. Paddlers in the C1 and C2 classes at the marathon world championships are almost exclusively in the high kneel canoes used in sprint racing. Also big Europeans marathons like the Tour de Gudena have canoe paddlers in high kneel canoes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.168.228.57 (talk) 15:50, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Article Name

I participated in this sport when it was called Flatwater Racing. I read in another wikipedia page that the ICF changed the name to "Canoe Sprint" in November 2008. If that is the case, I feel like Canoe Sprint should be the article name, and canoe racing should redirect to it (not vice-versa). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.22.37.141 (talk) 00:07, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

done --Cornellier (talk) 22:43, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Assessment comment

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Canoe sprint/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

A good start, but it is going to need detailed expansion of what racing actually entails before it progresses to the next level --Benhello! 08:19, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Substituted at 18:00, 5 June 2016 (UTC)