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but all the cattlemen were killed by Aborigines along the way what ws the reason for this? Need expanding. Enlil Ninlil (talk) 01:13, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of mention of Alexander Forrest

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I removed "During the 1908 Royal Commission into Canning’s mistreatment of Aborigines, Kimberley explorer and Lord Mayor of Perth, Alexander Forrest dismissed Canning's actions by claiming that all explorers behaved in this manner."

The explorer Alexander Forrest died in 1901, well before the Royal Commission. It was his brother John Forrest who was questioned by the Royal Commission and he argued that - hypothetically - if you needed an Aborigine to help you find water, then you would also then need to chain him up. But he also made the point that he never did this, "I never had anything to do with the chaining up of natives" (p.218 of the Bianchi-edited royal commision I have footnoted in my edit of the article) and stated that that he would seek to avoid this situation at all costs.

Shamto (talk) 06:48, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]


This is clearly the case. The Alexander Forrest article clearly says he died in 1901, 5 years before Canning was even commissioned to survey the route, and could not possibly have made such a statement at the Royal Commission. So why has that sentence been put back? It should be removed immediately. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.126.85.62 (talk) 09:45, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The claim that Wells mistreated Aboriginals is at odds with the article on Wells which claims he was one of the few explorers to "attempt to treat the Aboriginies with an unprecedented level of humanity." Either this article, or that one is misleading. As for the claim that Carnegie was "believed" to have fed Aboriginals salt (presumably so they would be so thirsty they would immediately head for the nearest water), this is quite an accusation. Is there an actual reference for this allegation, as well as claims about Wells? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.126.85.62 (talk) 10:13, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

David Carnegie admitted he kept natives tied up and guarded to prevent them escaping and to having fed them salt beef while refusing to let them drink. After first being led to dry waterholes, the expedition was eventually led to the Aboriginals own peoples water supply and Carnegie notes that his camels drained it dry. See David Carnegie's book Sand and Spinifex page 189. Wells didn't use the Aboriginals to find water but he did capture and tie up several to use as trackers. See Yiwarra Kuju: The Canning Stock Route. "Treating the Aboriginals with an unprecedented level of humanity" could have simply meant not killing them for stealing from the expedition in that time period. Wayne (talk) 18:20, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Traverses

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The Traverses section contains the text "Note this article is inaccurate on the first two attempts." It does not meet standards required for encyclopedic content, and was possibly meant for this talk page. The entire Traverses section needs work, with verifiable references. Summerdrought (talk) 10:15, 17 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the specific quote above, talking directly to the reader using the word "note" is to be avoided. See WP:NOTED. It would improve the article if this paragraph was cleaned up by an editor with the appropriate references.Summerdrought (talk) 21:28, 3 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
it is not even a road in the strictest sense - however, point taking about requiring editing... sats 01:39, 4 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
reliable secondary sources like newspapers, magazines, books published by respectable publishers, etc. are king on Wikipedia, not primary sources such as personal websites and Facebook posts. Fpor that reason I have removed most of the latest traversals; they focused far too much on recent events anyway. Graham87 03:28, 13 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You have got to be kidding Graham. Recent history is not important? Should we wait until it is lost in order to find it again? If you had a look at those links you will find newspapers, TV and radio links amongst them. And for you to judge historian Phil Bianchi as less that a respectable author is a joke. By your definition you should remove Jakub's historical ride as well as the only reference is his personal website. You have censored history with a blunt instrument. Gaynor Schoeman (talk) 05:51, 13 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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