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A fact from Canadian Coalition for Firearm Rights appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 31 December 2022 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the Canadian Coalition for Firearm Rights has been described as "Canada's most prominent pro-gun group"?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2022/December. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Canadian Coalition for Firearm Rights.

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The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 17:36, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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... that the CEO of a Canadian gun-rights organization shot a firearm for the first time in the United States? Source: iPolitics
- ALT1: ... that the Canadian Coalition for Firearm Rights was criticized for promoting an online shopping discount code that appeared to reference the 1989 École Polytechnique massacre? Source: CBC
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/John J. Ray III

Created by CT55555 (talk) and Legoktm (talk). Nominated by Legoktm (talk) at 07:00, 13 December 2022 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Enjoyed reading this article for sure! I'm partial to ALT0 for the hook, but I'm fine with either one. Great work. :) --Sky Harbor ^(talk) 17:26, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Legoktm and Sky Harbor: Hey there! hmm... I think ALT0 is a little bit more about the founder than it is the organization, and I'm a little uncomfortable with ALT1 since the org. denied it and there's no real way to prove the allegation. How about we let them speak for themself instead? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 12:03, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2: ... that the head of the Canadian Coalition for Firearm Rights claims that the Canadian government seeks "to ban all firearms from civilian ownership in Canada"?
- @Theleekycauldron:, I see where you're coming from on ALT0, but given that he was their first president, it seems relevant to the organization as a whole. I added a bit more to the article about how the group has been, controversially, called "Canada's NRA" in the past (though they walked back that statement of course...), which I think makes the US connection more interesting. Regarding ALT1, I specifically phrased it as that they were criticized for the code, which is exactly what happened, without indicating whether it was intentional or not. We could include that the fact that they denied it?
- My concern with ALT2 is that, as far as I understand, the Canadian government is not trying to do that, so we'd just be parroting their false claim.
- ALT3: ... that the Canadian Coalition for Firearm Rights was criticized for promoting an online shopping discount code that appeared to reference the 1989 École Polytechnique massacre, which the group claimed was unrelated? (Too long, maybe just "which the group denied?") Source: CBC
- ALT4: ... that the Canadian Coalition for Firearm Rights has been described as "Canada’s most prominent pro-gun group"? Source
- ALT5: ... that the Canadian Coalition for Firearm Rights splintered out of the National Firearms Association in 2015? Source
- Thanks as always for the additional review. Pinging CT55555 as the other author in case they have any other suggestions/preferences. Legoktm (talk) 03:00, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  - Hmm, I worried about that too, for ALT2. My rationale was that everyone with any understanding of 21st century politics either knows that's not true, or wholeheartedly believes it is, neither of which we can affect with this hook. For the tiny group in the middle who somehow isn't sure, we do attribute to a group that's pretty clearly pro-gun – I don't think it comes across as us agreeing. That said, I'll tick ALT4 as cited and reasonably interesting. I'll tick ALT3 as cited/interesting as well, since it does a reasonably good job giving the denial and staying neutral. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 06:36, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm following this, I sense that you have a better idea of what works a DYK than I do, I think TCL is making sensible and careful suggestions, which seem agreeable. I think that the discount code thing is what got them the most news, for what that's worth. If you need a tie-breaker opinion, let me know, but seems like this is heading in a sensible suggestions without my input (as the initial author of the article). CT55555(talk) 17:31, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Connection to Islamophobic groups

See https://thewalrus.ca/why-gun-rights-advocates-partner-with-islamophobic-groups/ Legoktm (talk) 02:39, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

POLY discount code

The 2nd to last paragraph in the history section mentions that the POLY discount code is a reference to the Polytechnique shooting. This has been proven false multiple times.

https://montrealgazette.com/sports/retraction-and-apology

I'm not confident enough to consider making an edit myself, but if someone wants to take a crack at it I'd appreciate it. IAMspecials (talk) 01:54, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]