Talk:California Republic

Map is misleading

Why is the map of modern-day California included in this article? The Bear Flaggers did not have any territorial control outside Sonoma, nor they represented the majority of Californians. Besides, the limits of California at that time were different from the current limits, as the border between Mexican California and British Oregon had not been clearly established, and the states of Nevada and Arizona had not yet been created. Besides, the limit between modern-day Mexico and modern-day California was not established either. For the same reason, the area in the infobox is misleading too, as it corresponds to modern-day California.

• That's a very good point. The Bear Flaggers were able to capture Sonoma, San Fransisco, and Sacramento, but were absorbed into the California Battalion before the march south. Although, the point can be made that the Battalion was the bear flaggers since it was as much Ide's men as it was Fremont's. Does everyone think the map should be replaced or simply removed? -DevinCook (talk) 23:10, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Ise never actually commanded a unit; the map is not accurate or useful.Rjensen (talk) 23:18, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Removed map & area. Feel free to add if you can find a more accurate map of the California limits & area as of 1846.

The currently used map is worse, IMO. It apparently shows the whole old Mexican province of Alta California, including Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, and most of Utah. The Bear Republic never remotely controlled anything more than a tiny portion of this territory -- just Sonoma and Sutter's Mill. To show it is to provide an absurdly aggrandized version of Californian history. In reality, the Bear Republic was a short-lived rebellion by obscure settlers in a remote part of California that got swept up in the American conquest. Costik (talk) 03:43, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

The former one was bad, and the current one is bad too. Sadly, I have never seen what I would consider to be an accurate map devoted to this topic. Jeff in CA (talk) 04:21, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

How Torre tricked Fremont in order to escape

Bancroft describes how Torre tricked Fremont and his men into leaving Sausalito to return to Sonoma, so that Torre escaped from the area through Sausalito and across San Pablo Bay, to join the other two commanders of Mexican troops in their retreat to Santa Clara. This is an interesting piece of the story. May I suggest it be told in this article? Jeff in CA (talk) 15:46, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Torre’s deception of Fremont is an interesting part of the story plus I feel the article would benefit from a stronger description of military activities. I have difficulty figuring out the correct scope of a topic. If I’m reading Wikipedia’s objective correctly, it is to provide “a comprehensive summary of information” on the topic. That means (to me) we should incorporate all military activity which is of equal or greater significance to the topic to justify incorporating any particular story. I’d be happy to help work on it if anyone is interested. Dean95452 (talk) 02:16, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

I am certainly interested; however, my contributions would be sporadic. I agree with you that the military activities of a military revolt should be a significant part of the article.

Jeff in CA (talk) 01:18, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Misspelling?

I just wanted to verify that this is correct: "Here the sheet was folded and worn in-two, and no more is found". Is it "worn in-two" or "torn in-two"? 42engineer (talk) 22:19, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

I confirmed that the quoted text at the source is "worn in two."Jeff in CA (talk) 14:22, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

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Sonoma take over

Frémont had signed up American immigrants at Sutter's Fort and then this voluntary army took over Sonoma. Frémont's army was involved in the capture of Sonoma. This was Frémont's military gesture to the rebel Californians that the United States supported thier Bear Flag Revolt. Cmguy777 (talk) 19:41, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Californians and the Military Captain John Charles Fremont and the Bear Flag Revolt Cmguy777 (talk) 19:46, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

The referenced web page implies at the bottom that it used Walker as its source. Walker's work is actually a major source of material for this article. The author of the web page has taken liberty with a few assumptions that are not straightforwardly or entirely supported in the Walker text, including the statements above, which are taken from that web page.Jeff in CA (talk) 23:51, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Coords

@Jeff in CA, I don't understand your revert or edit summary. This article is about a large region, not a specific city yet you quote a guideline about a city. Not to mention there is no indication of what "historical norms" would apply in this case. WP:COORDPREC says precision should be approximately one-tenth the size of the object. Seconds should not be used here. If the coords were for a specific city (i.e. the capital), they should be in the infobox and even then seconds are too precise. (note that in this case, the infobox says there was NO capital in a comment). @Deor, do you have a comment? MB 16:43, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Link Redirected to Indonesian Gambling Site

The link for the citation of "A Sketch of the Life of William B Ide" Redirects to an Indonesian gambling page and not the referenced source. I believe this is likely someone attempting to troll the wiki article or scam unsuspecting readers. Please verify and correct. KennyKC (talk) 22:42, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

I repaired the link with the archived website at archive.org.Jeff in CA (talk) 00:16, 15 July 2024 (UTC)