Talk:COVID-19 pandemic in Romania

Contradictory information

Why does it state that the lockdown is national then goes on to explain that there are lockdown ordinances per city? Also the text states that everyone is supposed to be at home except for work, then goes on to describe that people over 65 are allowed to go out? That doesn't make any sense.

What is the exact definition of a lock down????

I am Romanian-American, I improved this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by End-of-season-updates (talk • contribs) 16:39, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

National or nationwide refers to restrictions placed on international or intercity travel. People in general are allowed to go out for basic shopping (otherwise they would starve to death). Those over 65 are restricted to the interval 11 AM - 1 PM. — 79.113.201.187 (talk) 14:01, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Anecdotal entry

The text regarding that medical staff is sent to their death barehanded is very anecdotal, doesn't really fit an encyclopedia, more like a gossip magazine.

It is a direct quote of something said by a member of the medical staff. The lack of medical supplies (surgical masks and/or basic disinfectants) have turned various hospitals from places of quenching or stopping diseases to places of kindling or spreading illnesses. — GX, May 1971 (talk) 14:44, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Is buzao in lock down?

In this webcam it definetely doesn't look like it is:

http://www.insecam.org/en/view/808051/

Does the extreme sparsity of people and cars on the streets not strike you in the least bit as odd ? (People are still allowed to go to work and do basic shopping). — 79.113.201.187 (talk) 14:05, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

File:COVID-19 Outbreak Cases in Romania.svg

Can you also mark, somehow, those who had meantime recovered ? I think it's relevant aside with the overall number. --Morosanul (talk) 19:42, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

I Would like to have a different color for GJ because the only case there is recovered now. Durbalau (talk) 20:46, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Should we make the map in different nuances of red to differentiate the amount of cases? Durbalau (talk) 20:49, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Yes! Now that there are 10+ cases in some counties, it's a really good idea to make a map differentiating the amount of cases at this moment. Vaporwaveon (talk) 15:59, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

Yes. I would have done it, but my map making abilities are limited to Paint. :)) Alexandru M. (talk) 11:04, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

I managed to create a map using paintmaps.com. Feel free to update it whenever needed. Alexandru M. (talk) 12:22, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Hey, the map has made it to DigiSport! Too bad the map is outdated.

https://www.digisport.ro/special/coronavirus-in-romania-ce-inseamna-stare-de-urgenta-cat-poate-sa-dureze-si-cum-va-arata-tara-in-urmatoarele-saptamani-811700 Vaporwaveon (talk) 16:03, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

there are Stefan paunulllllll (talk) 16:02, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

222 cases Stefan paunulllllll (talk) 16:03, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Discrepancies/potential errors

I think at this point in time (12 March 2020 23:43 local time) the columns for Bucharest and Hunedoara don't compute. I'd update the table myself, but don't know from where to take the info. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:2F09:360A:9700:71F9:CF30:C2C7:8F76 (talk) 21:45, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Y Done. Alexandru M. (talk) 22:11, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Maybe removing comments about fixed discrepancies would be useful to keep the talk short and readable.

Right now (14 Mar 2020 13:31) there's a difference for Dolj between what the wikipedia page shows and what https://instnsp.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/5eced796595b4ee585bcdba03e30c127 says.

Cases 71 and 72, according to the linked information source, were previously quarantined. IMO this warrants a new value in the source of infection column ("previously quarantined" or "from quarantine" or something similar), or re-adding the dropped column which gave additional details. Why I think this is important: the number of confirmed cases with unknown source is relevant for the effectiveness of the isolation and quarantine measures for controlling the spread of the disease - it's an indication of the number of infection sources not yet identified. Previously quarantined or isolated persons do not qualify as not yet identified infection sources.

The ArcGIS map has inconsistencies itself. For example, Arad appears with 0 cases, Vrancea and Vaslui with 1, although the Ministry of Health hasn't confirmed any cases in these counties. The source on which the map is based sends us to the main page of the National Institute of Public Health and not to a specific statistic. Alexandru M. (talk) 08:13, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

Romania medical cases chart

Do you guys think we should add Template:2019–20 coronavirus outbreak data/Romania medical cases chart instead of the current table from the Timeline section? LaUr3nTiU (talk) 11 March 2020

We should keep both. Alexandru M. (talk) 10:10, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

there are 433 cases

Stefan paunulllllll (talk) 11:19, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

and two peoples dead Stefan paunulllllll (talk) 11:20, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Cases table

Columns "Source of infection" and "Origin of infection" are kind of redundant. I would keep only the "Origin of infection" and where is "Local transmition", instead of "N/A", I would put either text "Local" or Romanian-flag, plus the linked case number (eg, "Local (#4)"). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Durbalau (talk • contribs) 20:37, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

I agree with the "local + case" thing (instead of "n/a"), but that need to be explained to readers in a phrase in the beginning. That way we can get rid of the "Notes" column which overloads the whole table. The contacts of those diagnosed are more than enough. The super-spreader cases (the patient from Gerota, the woman from Hunedoara and the senator) are relevant and can be detailed in a separate section. Kin relationships, fines, criminal files or other such things are irrelevant and unnecessarily load the table which will soon become too long to read comfortably.

But keep both columns. The "Origin of infection" column was intended mainly for imported cases.

I took inspiration from Hungary's page when I recreated the table. Alexandru M. (talk) 23:10, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

If you need my help, I'll give it with pleasure. Alexandru M. (talk) 23:14, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Maybe you should pot the number of tests performed...in the description before 'Timeline' or in one of the tables. I think the number of tests made is important, as you can't detect many cases if you don't perform enough tests. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:2F09:3611:3100:7D0D:6E4F:2C05:1095 (talk) 22:49, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

WikiProject COVID-19

I've created WikiProject COVID-19 as a temporary or permanent WikiProject and invite editors to use this space for discussing ways to improve coverage of the ongoing 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic. Please bring your ideas to the project/talk page. Stay safe, --Another Believer _(Talk) 17:46, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

How to depict new briefings graphically?

Given the way that the new briefings are coming, with aggregate ages and a confirmation of whether all cases were trackable or from quarantine, I wonder if there is a way to show these updates in a graph. The purpose would be to show readers whether we are having any community transmission, and to summarize trends.

Also I wonder if it is worthwhile to capture graphically the changes shown on the arcGIS map for each county's cases, quarantine and self-isolation totals? It is interesting to click on the arcGIS map provided by the Ministry of Health, but what I am mostly curious about is trends. Just brainstorming here, and thank you for reading this. ShoshiWoshiRo (talk) 17:08, 16 March 2020

I've just discovered a great source of information...if someone has time, every case could be tracked. If you go to the geo-spatial link (https://covid19.geo-spatial.org/dashboard/main), in the left side we can see the 'Cazuri confirmate pe judet' section. Click the attachment and an Google Docs Sheet will open. The data can be slightly different from the current data we have here (the case number can be different, for example), but I think someone could work with the information given there...or at least from now on. It's time consuming given the number of new cases we have each day. - Daniel — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:2F09:3611:3100:9422:308A:131B:C663 (talk) 17:35, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Romanians abroad section

Add a section under 'Cases' called 'Romanians abroad' with details about romanians that have been found with the coronavirus in other countries and/or have died because of it.

Here are some references:

53 cases and 12 dead as of 29 march. Source: https://www.digi24.ro/stiri/actualitate/12-romani-din-diaspora-au-murit-din-cauza-covid-19-1283176

Prominent romanian writer and communist dissident, Paul Goma, dead, in Paris, because of coronavirus. Source: https://www.digi24.ro/stiri/actualitate/evenimente/scriitorul-paul-goma-ucis-de-coronavirus-1281245  Done Alexandru M. (talk) 16:40, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Lethality by gender and age?

Can the cumulative data from ro:Pandemia de coronaviroză (COVID-19) în România#Statistici be added to a table similar to Template:2019–20 coronavirus pandemic data/Italy medical cases? Ain92 (talk) 22:42, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Status column in the cases table

I think the status column should be removed, as information regarding patient recovery is no longer accessible per patient, also a lot of the early patients, if not all the early patients, that have the "hospitalised" status, are most likely recovered.

--Georgios Basiklios (talk) 15:23, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

Better data

There's better "per county" data at https://covid19.geo-spatial.org/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.71.16.173 (talk) 17:48, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Reversed percentages for May 24th data

Please note that the percentage for number of new cases for May 24th is actually the one listed for number of new deaths and viceversa. It should be +1.2% for number of new cases and +0.8% for number of new deaths.

Thank you.

5.2.145.28 (talk) 10:11, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Graphs

The graphs don't look good... A column is put without a date at the beginning of the new cases and new deaths graphs. I suspect it is the column for 25 may, but I'm not sure at all. TBN 08 (talk) 18:20, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

References in infobox

I've tried to add references to the precise figures listed in the infobox, but was reverted: [1]. GX, May 1971, which URL at the bottom WP:Verifies those figures? Capewearer (talk) 15:13, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Click on the single URL (Stiri Oficiale), scroll a bit to the nearest title containing "13:00", and click on it. All the information is explicitly listed there, except for Active cases, which is computed by way of a simple subtraction, Confirmed cases - Recovered - Deaths. — GX, May 1971 (talk) 05:33, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 June 2020

Most recent details in 15 June 2020 about new coeonavirus cases, deaths and recoveries + tests in ROMANIA. Learn more on https://stirioficiale.ro/informatii/buletin-de-presa-15-iunie-2020-ora-13-00. Thanks in advance. 2A02:2F01:6504:6200:2082:D13D:A35D:B681 (talk) 12:00, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 13:40, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

As I've said above, there are 22165 (with new +166) in country, 1427 deaths (+17 new) and 15817 recoveries (+98). I did read from stirioficiale.ro (a Government-led website which offers official release). This Wikipedia page need to up-to-date.

And more source would be reilable:

• https://www.mai.gov.ro/informare-covid-19-grupul-de-comunicare-strategica-15-iunie-2020-ora-13-00/

Thanks. 2A02:2F01:6504:6200:2082:D13D:A35D:B681 (talk) 14:04, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Proposal of removal of max-height for the Romania medical cases template

If we were to remove the max-height specifier for the per-county table, we would get rid of rather annoying horizontal scrollbar. Either that, or maybe removal of the Deaths/Cases ratio. I am all for keeping the max-height as long as we somehow remove the horizontal scrollbar. I'm speaking from a 1080P resolution perspective. LaUr3nTiU (talk) 18:45, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 June 2020

The "COVID-19 cases in Romania" chart for 19 June 2020 says "23,400" cases instead of "23,080" (notice the last digits has reached to 23,000+ cases and I expect that it will reach +24,000 confirmed cases in following days).

Please note: On June 19th, 2020 there are 320+ new cases, that results 23,400 cases against 23,080 (yesterday), 1484 deaths and 16,555 recoveries, according to recent release. Please update: there are 23,400 confirmed cases. 2A02:2F01:6504:6200:2CB1:A7AE:8EBC:6894 (talk) 10:18, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. It's not clear which chart you are referring to (and I don't see any "23400" number anyway), also, in any case, the chart at the top is a transcluded template; you should instead fix errors at the actual page, Template:COVID-19 pandemic data/Romania medical cases chart (which is not, as of right now, protected) RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 23:42, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

NOTICE: Split timeline section from the page

Hi Dodger67, the timeline is dominating this article, maybe it should be split to Timeline of the COVID-19 pandemic in Romania with a sourced summary here. I created the Draft:Timeline of the COVID-19 pandemic in Romania. --2A02:2F01:6504:6200:D416:8655:233A:60DC (talk) 11:59, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 July 2020

@Norden1990: Why is Moldova fully "independent" from Romania? Please clarify removal of {{About|the COVID-19 pandemic in Romania|the COVID-19 pandemic in Moldova|COVID-19 pandemic in Moldova}} template. Is country different? 2A02:2F01:620F:2700:15C3:C697:5F3F:170C (talk) 10:20, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes, Moldova is an independent country in Eastern Europe, fully recognized by United Nations and other international bodies. There is no need to clarify it in the lead. Romania has five neighboring countries, then why does only one need clarification? --Norden1990 (talk) 10:29, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

The clarification was over template about pandemic of COVID in this country. @Norden1990: Add to See also too. 2A02:2F01:620F:2700:15C3:C697:5F3F:170C (talk) 10:33, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Why? I do not see the point. Nav box at the bottom of the article is sufficient. You can reach all countries with a single click through that. Why we need to highlight a single country (Moldova)? --Norden1990 (talk) 10:36, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 September 2020

The 15 May-present section is not completed — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:2F0B:880A:CB00:8CE3:EBE1:6BE4:D76F (talk) 11:55, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

15th of May 2020 marked the end of the State of Emergency and the beginning of the relaxation measures, under the State of Alert. Facemasks are still mandatory in public closed spaces and several protection measures have been adopted by the government to curb the pandemic. The protection measures include the limitation of movement such as social distancing measures in every shop and queues, the ban on entering the interior of the restaurants, as only the terraces are still open to clients. The restaurants and bars, as well as cinemas and clubs are completely inside a building are completely closed. All the transport vehicles are disinfected frequently

As of June 2020, the State of Alert has been prolonged for another month due to the resurgence of the virus, soon being followed by numerous negative records in virus cases. Most of the new cases are concentrated in Bucharest, Argeș and Brașov Counties. As of July the Romanian Government has passed a law regarding quarantine, allowing the government to put cities, towns and villages under quarantine if the zone specified meets the requirements of quarantining. The new law has also changed individual quarantining measures On 22th of July, the daily number of confirmed cases of COVID-19 has reached 1000, setting a worrying record for the country. The face masks have become mandatory in open air in cities with a high number of cases per a thousand inhabitants. In Brașov, face masks have become mandatory in temporary or permanent plazas and events as well as on the streets. The State of Alert is prolonged again by a month as of 16th of July. As of August, the country has continuously experienced a surge in cases, going as far as 1500 cases a day and as of September, the number of cases is stable, at around 1300 cases a day. The Romanian Government has opened restaurants, cinemas and theaters that were affected by the previous measures. Measures against the pandemic have also been modified to work within these spaces. As of 3 September, the cumulative number of confirmed cases of COVID-19 has reached 90.000.

Since the end of August, the Government has been working on a plan to open the schools. 2A02:2F0B:880A:CB00:8CE3:EBE1:6BE4:D76F (talk) 11:27, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

 Closed Seems to be stale. P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 22:28, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

References

Reasons why I deleted a sentence

Hey, Alexandru M., I hope you don't mind I have removed your proposition!

As of 7 November 2020, the 14-day case notification rate is 472. Moreover, according to an October ECDC report, Romania has the second highest death rate among EU/EEA countries and the UK, being surpassed only by the Czech Republic.

The article is actually from October, and we should focus on deaths / 1 million population, where Romania comes 28th. These rates that you posted fluctuate a lot and leave the impression that in Romania it would be the worst. People do not die in Romania because of the government that has kept the pandemic under control, but because they are old and have diseases. We already know this from the EU, and it is the result of communism. It also happens in the Czech Republic and Hungary. But generations are changing.

So I am proposing 2 objective options:

1. You keep the sentence but you update it often, adding additionally also the number of deaths in a population of 1 million (including ranking).

2. We do not make rankings at all and the public is free to search outside of Wikipedia. Eventually we add to External Links a few covid statistics sites.

End-of-season-updates (talk) 12:48, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

After all, the infection rate matters, doesn't it? That is, the statistic that matters is the mortality per 1 million inhabitants. After all, it is clear that you can not make great cheese in the case of covid, people do not die because of the medical system. People die if they have comorbidities or not. Or if you no longer have beds at ATI. With that post we create confusion. The most correct would be to add mortality to a million, but I don't really see every page of the countries doing it. End-of-season-updates (talk) 12:58, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Oh, not at all. 😀 Actually, I think your position is correct. With the exception of Worldometer (which is listed in the 'External links' section), I couldn't find another source with the correct value of the death rate. The infection rate is updated daily by this website (but, as it states in the frontpage, "is a personal project and is not affiliated with any organization or official entity"). Maybe, as you said, we shouldn't make ratings at all. Alexandru M. (talk) 16:55, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

References

Vaccination campaign

So...the vaccination campaign has started in EU and in Romania. Maybe the timeline should mention this. Also, there could be included a table containing information such as how many got vaccinated each day and how many side effects occur. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:2F09:3A18:9200:4975:43FC:9590:2DB8 (talk) 11:16, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 June 2021

Switch the table column

! Bucharest–Ilfov !! 207,203 !! 156,118 !! 1,865 !! data-sort-value="" style="background: var(--background-color-interactive, #ececec); color: var(--color-base, #2C2C2C); vertical-align: middle; text-align: center; " class="table-na" | —

with

!Center !! 118,428 !! 101,252 !! 3,416 !! data-sort-value="" style="background: var(--background-color-interactive, #ececec); color: var(--color-base, #2C2C2C); vertical-align: middle; text-align: center; " class="table-na" | —

because the counties are reversed(just add up the numbers in each section or check a map). Zergfx (talk) 11:04, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: Hello! I believe you are looking at the table the wrong way. Each row adds up downward to the nearest emboldened row. For example, Bucharest and Ilfov add up downwards to Bucharest–Ilfov, etc. Living Concrete (talk) 23:20, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

PEIS warning

The following warning appears on the page when you preview it:

Warning: Post-expand include size is too large. Some templates will not be included.

To reduce the amount of content that contributes to the issue, I suggest switching the daily source data for the graphs and tables found in the "Statistics" section to something more practical like weekly or monthly. If the time-sensitive data isn't going to be updated, then I suggest deleting it. If this doesn't resolve the warning, then I also suggest doing the same to the daily Template:COVID-19 pandemic data/Romania medical cases chart. Jroberson108 (talk) 14:01, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Stats not updated since almost February

Hello! Where have been posted the latest statistics? Because I can't find them anymore on the official sites. End-of-season-updates (talk) 16:40, 4 September 2022 (UTC)