Talk:Bunk'd/Archive 1

Archive 1

sequel or spin-off

lets discuss it.84.212.73.96 (talk) 12:04, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Reliable sources including Disney call it a spin-off. Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:07, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

As above. If it were a sequel, though, it would have the same starring (main) actors as Jessie. Amaury (talk) 18:05, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

...And the same setting (e.g. the penthouse). As none of those apply, and we also have RS calling it such, it's a "spinoff". --IJBall (contribs • talk) 00:53, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

"Luke's Back" - summary and an actress absence provided before air date, but editor cited "Watch Disney" online

I decided to revert this edit [1] on account of a listed absence in the episode, five days before its official airing on Disney Channel, but the editor cited "Watch Disney" online with the episode (which requires registering an account when I looked at it). I said it was better to wait until the air date before reporting this. Was kind of a toss-up to revert, but I don't recall anyone, at least recently, detailing episode info thru the Watch Disney route ... where a number of episodes of Disney's shows are made available a few days in advance of their airing on Disney Channel. As always, any future episode needs to be well-referenced, but don't know if citing Watch Disney would qualify here. MPFitz1968 (talk) 23:13, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

No need to rush this, it will be airing in a few days and then will be a published reliable source. Currently it is behind a paywall meaning it is difficult to verify the info. After the ep has aired significantly more editors will have seen the episode so we are likely to get better episode summaries and correctly credited guest cast list. Geraldo Perez (talk) 23:32, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Cameron Boyce's mention in lead

A sentence in the lead section reads: Despite revolving around the Ross kids, Cameron Boyce, who portrayed Luke Ross, does not reprise his role. While he is not a regular, this sentence has become inaccurate with his guest appearance in "Luke's Back", and a rewording (or qualification, like a note) is needed. Any suggestions? MPFitz1968 (talk) 14:11, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Maybe just make clear he is not in the main cast and give no further explanation. Doesn't really need to be mentioned in the lead at all, in my opinion, as people familiar with the previous show will note his absence in the list and people who are not familiar won't care. Geraldo Perez (talk) 14:47, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

episode 20

It says "Due Lack", not "Due to Lack" 67.83.60.230 (talk) 04:36, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

 Done Amaury (talk) 04:41, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

21

Zuri's Tablet was confinscated because it's not allowed at camp while Tiffany's violin playing resulted in a lot of noise complaints. Gladys told both girls that was why she took them. I watched the episode and she said those things to them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.83.60.230 (talk) 04:01, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

 Not done Unnecessary detail. Amaury (talk) 04:50, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

Mrs. Kipling

Is Mrs. Kipling actually credited in the show? Not listed as guest star, or let alone mentioned, in any of the episode summaries here. I only checked the first episode, where he's not listed in the end credits in any form. Anyway, it's not like Stan who gets a proper credit for his voice actor in Dog with a Blog, so I don't think Mrs. Kipling should be listed as a separate character if there is not even a guest star credit. nyuszika7h (talk) 11:29, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

That's a good point. Mrs. Kipling is basically a prop. I think the list is a holdover from Jessie. Should probably be merged into the description of Ravi Ross and removed as a separate character entry. Geraldo Perez (talk) 13:33, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

Redundant wording in lead

Bunk'd is a Disney Channel television series and a spin-off of Jessie, a Disney Channel original series.

I don't think we need to mention that Jessie is a Disney Channel original series, because we already mention Bunk'd is a Disney Channel series (if it were based on another network's show, I could see the argument for keeping it), and if someone doesn't know, they can click through to the linked article. nyuszika7h (talk) 18:13, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

I saw these edits and it got me wondering if it might be better to just drop the "Disney Channel" part (and link), and keep the "Disney Channel original series" part instead. Note that I don't have any strong feelings on this issue, just that it got me wondering... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:18, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Tiffany

At the end of "Camp Stinky Waka" Tiffany's mother becomes more loving and less domineering. I watched it so I know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.199.37.87 (talk) 03:04, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

Sing a new song, why don't you? Regardless of what happened in this latest episode doesn't erase the facts of her mentions in previous episodes. Amaury (talk | contribs) 03:30, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

Jessie alumni?...

In light of the recent edit warring, maybe we need a short (prose) section on Jessie characters who have now appeared on Bunk'd? As of now, Luke, Bertram and Christina have all appeared on the show. Are there any other Jessie alum who have made appearances?... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:42, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

IJBall, good job of relocating the Boyce (Luke) content to the Characters section. You're right, it's not lead-worthy but is acceptable for the section you moved it to. 2605:A000:FFC0:D8:ADF3:C706:1C77:4C80 (talk) 17:21, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Cool. Anybody else have any comment about mentioning the other Jessie alum? I think that could essentially be its own (prose) subsection under 'Characters'... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:04, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

@IJBall: Like with List of Girl Meets World characters, I don't think a separate section is needed since they're not recurring and a prose somewhere should be sufficient. Amaury (talk | contribs) 19:53, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

IJBall, I think your idea is very good. 2605:A000:FFC0:D8:ADF3:C706:1C77:4C80 (talk) 14:13, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

Gladys

The main page says Gladys tries to romance people, when in actually it's men only. She's never once tried to romance women. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fourlaxers (talk • contribs) 01:10, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Nowhere does it say she has tried to romance women, and men are also people. Amaury (talk | contribs) 01:21, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Still it should be "men she tries to romance". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.199.37.87 (talk) 12:48, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

No, it shouldn't. There is nothing wrong with the current wording. Amaury (talk | contribs) 14:27, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

The whole sentence reads: Since then, Gladys has been unsuccessful at getting a boyfriend as most people she tries to romance end up avoiding her in various ways. The word "people" in this context, and even if adding in her whole description (which includes the part regarding Morgan, a man), doesn't suggest interest in women. Something else would need to be added to the description to even imply that. If I were to hint at changing the sentence, it would be to replace "most people" with "those" (which would still imply men because of "boyfriend"), but that would change the meaning slightly as it could be implied as "all" instead of "most" - although I'm not sure offhand whether Gladys was able to stay with the same man for a significant period of time (multiple episodes). MPFitz1968 (talk) 15:09, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Emma Ravi and Hazel

In Season 2's finale, Hazel inadvertently caused a fire. Emma and Ravi were able to safely evacuate the camp. When Gladys found out that Hazel was responsible she (Gladys) promoted Emma and Ravi to counselors because they acted properly in an emergency while Hazel was demoted to CIT. If you can put Emma and Ravi's promotions and Hazels Demotion up that would be nice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.121.240.234 (talk) 18:33, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

@69.121.240.234: The episode "We Didn't Start the Fire" is what you're referring to, and it hasn't aired on Disney Channel yet. But with List of Bunk'd episodes currently free to edit by all users, including you ... you are free to write an episode summary about it after it has aired. Please remember to write summaries in your own words if you undertake this - don't copy/paste from somewhere else.

By the way, none of the sources have identified the episode as the season finale. Judging from how the episode goes (as I've already previewed it via Watch Disney), it does have that season finale feel, but without a source saying that, even with my observation, we can't term it "season finale" in the article(s) at this time per original research. MPFitz1968 (talk) 18:54, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Ah, after reading your request again, you're meaning in the character descriptions. Still, wait till the episode has aired on Disney Channel first. MPFitz1968 (talk) 18:56, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

WP:RECENTISM – character summaries should cover the entire series, not simply the most recent in-show events. The characters were/are CIT's throughout pretty much the entire series (so far), and the character descriptions should reflect that, not the events in the most recently aired episode (short of, say, a character death or departure from the series...). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 21:27, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Merger proposal

I propose that List of Bunk'd characters be merged into Bunk'd. I think that the content in the Bunk'd article can easily be explained in the context of this page, and the Bunk'd article is of a reasonable size that the merging of this page with it will not cause any problems as far as article size or undue weight is concerned. Comatmebro (talk) 03:44, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

When descriptions start getting longer or recurring characters come into play needing descriptions, that is sufficient to justify a characters article, providing the series in question has at least two or more seasons. Size has nothing to do with it. See also: I think that, for esp. new series, a one-sentence (or less) character "blurb" is often OK (or even desirable, in some cases). But when you start getting longer than that, or there start to be recurring characters needing their own character summaries, that's when it's time to start thinking about spinning-off a 'List of [..] characters' article. --IJBall (contribs • talk) April 24, 2017, 2:13 pm (UTC−7) A quote by IJBall from a discussion over on Famous in Love, unless his opinions have changed. Amaury (talk | contribs) 04:33, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Supported. No reason for having a separate article. SatDis (talk) 04:32, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

A separate article is perfectly fine. I don't know why this was cross-posted, but I explained this over on the parent article's talk page a while ago. Amaury (talk | contribs) 04:37, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Also, I noticed this was the same for K.C. Undercover. The two pages were split, and differ by only 144 bytes as well when they were split. 47.208.20.130 (talk) 00:22, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

 Done. Now merged. Amaury (talk | contribs) 14:36, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

How to handle "season appearances" for cast?...

There are two main ways to handle "cast length appearances" on shows in 'Cast'/'Characters' sections – the way this article handles it currently (shown first), and the more popular "parenthetical method":

1. Xander (Kevin Quinn) is the popular head counselor of Cabin Grizzly and resident musician. He is the love interest for Emma and is a longtime friend of Lou. He departs as a main character after the second season.
2. Xander (Kevin Quinn) is the popular head counselor of Cabin Grizzly and resident musician. He is the love interest for Emma and is a longtime friend of Lou. (seasons 1–2)

While I admit I prefer either method depending on this situation, in this case I actually think "Method #2" (the "parenthetical method") will work better in the case of this particular article. IIRC, Amaury dislikes Method #2, but I would like to gauge the opinion of other editors on this question... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:39, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

If this were a "Cast and characters" list, I'd be fine with it. However, in the "Characters" format, the parenthetical just doesn't look all that great. Maybe it's the period before it, I don't know, but since there are two sentences in the case of Xander, for example, it's pretty much needed. If we're going to go with the parenthetical route, then I would vote that the format be changed to "Cast and characters." And I know that you dislike the "Characters" format unless it's animation. Considering I'm the one who changed it to "Characters" with this edit—and I did that at some other articles as well, like Raven's Home—I'd obviously have no objections. As much as I prefer "Characters" when there are character descriptions, the whole "X as Y, a tree in the series" has also rather grown on me—like at Knight Squad, for example. I can understand now that "Characters" makes more sense for animation since the characters are the focus, whereas with live-action, it's both the characters and actors. In any case, that would then leave us with, for example: Kevin Quinn as Xander (seasons 1–2), the popular head counselor of Cabin Grizzly and resident musician. He is the love interest for Emma and is a longtime friend of Lou. Amaury (talk | contribs) 19:02, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

I'd have no objection to converting this to a 'Cast and characters' list (which, as you said, I actually do prefer!!) as you've outlined above, if that's what it takes... Anyone else with opinions? P.S. The Xander one should actually be copyedited to: Kevin Quinn as Xander (seasons 1–2), the popular head counselor of Cabin Grizzly and resident musician. He is a longtime friend of Lou and becomes the love interest for Emma. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:57, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

As there's been no objection for a couple of days now to the proposed conversion of this article's cast listing into a 'Cast and characters' format listing, I will be carrying out that conversion in the next few days (unless somebody else beats me to it...). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 13:02, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Season 3 finale ≠ series finale

Since people do not understand how things work, all we have here is confirmation that the third season has ended, but we have nothing confirming the series has ended. Unlike Nicky, Ricky, Dicky & Dawn, which had both an ordered episode count that matched an aired episode count for the fourth season and an official announcement that it was ending after the fourth season, we don't have anything confirming that Bunk'd ended after its third season, so we're stuck. The status on The Futon Critic doesn't list Bunk'd as canceled/ended (TV season), like it does with Austin & Ally, for example, it lists it as completed airing its third season on 9/21/18; has yet to be renewed for a fourth season. In addition, the Hollywood Reporter source provided does not confirm anything, either, as all it states is that Peyton List is moving on. Stating that the series is over because she is moving on is what is called the correlation-causation fallacy. The series could continue without Peyton List and even the other Ross children and focus on the new characters, alongside Lou, given the events of the third season finale. And even if not in a fourth season, there could be a spinoff, but for now, we have, again, nothing confirming Bunk'd is officially, and any further disruptive edits in that regard will be reverted. Amaury (talk | contribs) 02:15, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

This source from tvseriesfinale.com, added by Bigs7, is being used to indicate the series is over, along with the series' last aired date. First, as I recall, this site is not a reliable source (if there's dispute about it, take it to the WP:RSN board), and second, it only indicates the cancellation of the series, not the date on which the final episode aired. The source also contains a video where Skai Jackson is being interviewed about the last days of filming of Bunk'd, which cannot be used to substantiate the ending as actors don't speak directly for Disney Channel. All we have is roundabout details about the series ending without Disney Channel officially calling the series over thru a reliable source outlet. MPFitz1968 (talk) 07:41, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Yep. After having thought about it some more, even THR source I added for Peyton List does not verify that the "series has concluded" – it only verifies that List has left the series. Ditto Skai Jackson – we have confirmation that she won't be back, but not that Bunk'd is over. The lack of a public confirmation from Disney that the series has indeed ended has me wondering if Disney is considering bringing the show back for a fourth season with an all "new" (or "mostly new"?) cast – i.e. a new season of the show, with perhaps only Lou returning, but completely severing the connection with the Ross kids characters... In any case, if Disney never confirms that this show is over, we're going to have to wait the full year before we can mark it "ended". --IJBall (contribs • talk) 21:31, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

That's how I've envision a fourth season, or even a spinoff. Based on the third season's finale, have Lou back in charge of the camp, with Destiny, Mateo, and Finn also back, with perhaps some other mains. Hell, maybe even bring back Xander and Griff as mains, or at least guest stars. Amaury (talk | contribs) 23:41, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Oh, look at that. This is now moot. Amaury (talk | contribs) 18:51, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Disney bios no longer cover pre-season 4 cast...

We're still referencing the Bunk'd "Show Bios" page ([2]) for all of the show's bios, but that page no longer includes an pre-season #3 cast, not even the Ross children... Is there a way to source these former members of the cast to archived versions of the Bunk'd "Show Bios" page?... Pinging Amaury and MPFitz1968. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:32, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

Cite error

In the episodes section on the row for season 5 the amount of episodes to referenced to [3]. A reference named "The Futon Critic". However this reference was deleted in 2016, and has had a cite error ever since. Could someone add back the reference, the details are;
<ref name="The Futon Critic">{{cite web|url=http://www.thefutoncritic.com/showatch/bunkd/listings/|title=Bunk'd Episode Listings|work=The Futon Critic}}</ref>
Thanks 89.241.33.89 (talk) 14:10, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

• Fixed. MPFitz1968 (talk) 15:03, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you 89.241.33.89 (talk) 17:10, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Cast split off

I’ve made a LOC draft and I’m wondering if splitting the characters off to their own article would be a good idea. If we do we would need to reduce the descriptions or not include them at all on this article to save them for the main article. Thoughts? SecondLooneyaccount (talk)

Any thoughts? SecondLooneyaccount (talk) 21:26, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

It's completely unnecessary for the characters original to Bunk'd CreecregofLife (talk) 21:40, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Learning the Ropes

It's kind of odd that the season 6 title has absolutely zero presence in the lead. What exactly makes it a completely different situation from Liv and Maddie Cali Style and Jonas LA {which uses a parenthetical or Hannah Montana Forever (which is utilized through a footnote)? What makes this a unique situation that it can't be in the lead at all?--CreecregofLife (talk) 02:59, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Xander, Jorge, and Tiffany's surnames

The surnames of every main character so far have been revealed on the show. Even though the credits don't list it, Xander's surname is revealed as McCormick in "Xander Says Goodbye", Tiffany's is revealed as Chen in "Camp Stinky Waka", and Jorge's is revealed as Ramirez in "Food Fight". So why don't we just add them already? Nashwalker (talk) 08:12, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

If previous experience is any indication, they’re going by how they’re credited CreecregofLife (talk) 14:07, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Per MOS:TVCAST, which we should follow: "All names should be referred to as credited, or by common name supported by a reliable source.". "Revealed" surnames are hardly any sort of common name and are mostly in-universe trivia of little practical value to understanding the character. May be something to mention in a character article, but not in a cast and character list in the main article. Geraldo Perez (talk) 14:52, 12 June 2022 (UTC)